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  1. #16
    Repeated Kernel Panics on Boot
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    I don't necessarily have a major preference for one method over the other. In my case I re-downloaded the installer from the App Store but that is basically because I needed to re-make the bootable installer that I thought I had created.
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  2. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Slydude View Post
    I don't necessarily have a major preference for one method over the other. In my case I re-downloaded the installer from the App Store but that is basically because I needed to re-make the bootable installer that I thought I had created.
    Ok thanks. Because it’s so old High Sierra isn’t on the App Store anymore. I used to be able to go into my purchases and redownload HS or older macOS but in Mojave (using a friends Mac to make the bootable usb) there doesn’t seem to be this option? What/where do you recommend for downloading High Sierra?


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    Repeated Kernel Panics on Boot
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    I ran into this problem as I was fixing the problem I mentioned. Because I had logged in with a higher OS Apple doesn't show SIERRA OR High Sierra even though I had previously downloaded it. Basically the same boat you're in. The lnks I found were to third-party sites that I didn't trust because these often have other nasties attached. The link I had on the Apple site led to the Mojave download.

    I ended up jumpling through the following hoops:
    1. Boor from Snow Leopard (Onlydrive where my installation wasn't either too new or borked up).
    2. Logged in to App Store (Sierra and High Sierra don't show but Mountain Lion does)
    3. Install Mountain Lion then return to the App Store
    $. Sierra and High Sierra now show for download.

    If your App Store account uses Two Factor Authentication there is one caveat. Some of the older OS versions do not support this so here is the work around.

    1.Attempt to log in to the App store with your current password. It will fail.
    2.Ask to be sent the authentication code as usual.
    3. Now try to log in again adding the code you were sent to the password. There won't be a separate space for just add it to the password field. So, for example, a password of Cjarlie and authentication code of 123456 becomes Charlie123456
    “Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slydude View Post
    I ran into this problem as I was fixing the problem I mentioned. Because I had logged in with a higher OS Apple doesn't show SIERRA OR High Sierra even though I had previously downloaded it. Basically the same boat you're in. The lnks I found were to third-party sites that I didn't trust because these often have other nasties attached. The link I had on the Apple site led to the Mojave download.

    I ended up jumpling through the following hoops:
    1. Boor from Snow Leopard (Onlydrive where my installation wasn't either too new or borked up).
    2. Logged in to App Store (Sierra and High Sierra don't show but Mountain Lion does)
    3. Install Mountain Lion then return to the App Store
    $. Sierra and High Sierra now show for download.

    If your App Store account uses Two Factor Authentication there is one caveat. Some of the older OS versions do not support this so here is the work around.

    1.Attempt to log in to the App store with your current password. It will fail.
    2.Ask to be sent the authentication code as usual.
    3. Now try to log in again adding the code you were sent to the password. There won't be a separate space for just add it to the password field. So, for example, a password of Cjarlie and authentication code of 123456 becomes Charlie123456
    Thanks. I did end up carrying out a version of what you said. When installing High Sierra and it got to the stage where it restarts, it restarted only to a dim screen (don’t think it was on at all, no keys were waking it up) and fans were spinning at max. I waited about 45 minutes before googling it and deciding it needed a SMC Reset. After carrying this out it booted and carried on installing High Sierra. Is this a warning sign of anything or a random event and nothing to worry about?




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    Repeated Kernel Panics on Boot
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    Probably a random event but I'd be sure to keep backups current.
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    I received this message when it initially booted. Any ideas what could have caused it based on this?

    Screen Shot 2019-07-21 at 17.40.08.png

  7. #22
    Repeated Kernel Panics on Boot
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    It's just what it says. There's a third party driver trying to load that was preventing the machine from booting. Kernel extensions are drivers. By starting up in Safe Mode, all third party extensions are bypassed and only Apple extensions are loaded. One reason why we recommend starting in safe mode when kernel panics occur.

    It's now up to you to do some detective work and figure which one is causing your problem. You might want to download and run the EtreCheck app.

  8. #23
    Repeated Kernel Panics on Boot
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    It's just what it says. There's a third party driver trying to load that was preventing the machine from booting.

    Hmmm...??? Does this remind anyone else of all the time involved running Conflict Catcher utility back in the old PPC OS 8 and OS 9 days attempting to find the conflicting culprit. And praying that the cause wasn't Conflict Catcher itself???


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    Repeated Kernel Panics on Boot
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    Quote Originally Posted by pm-r View Post
    Hmmm...??? Does this remind anyone else of all the time involved running Conflict Catcher utility back in the old PPC OS 8 and OS 9 days attempting to find the conflicting culprit. And praying that the cause wasn't Conflict Catcher itself???


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    If I have nightmare tonight I'm blaming this on you Patrick.

    I have not-so-fond memories of time spent doing just that. Most of the time it found the problem but one or twice I spent several hours following the process with little or nothing to show for it.
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    Repeated Kernel Panics on Boot
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    Nah... The "Conflict Catcher Utility" is child's play compared to running the "regedit.exe" app in Windows when trying to correct conflicts in the infamous Windows registry. Regedit errors and BSOD (Blue Screen of Death) was the worst nightmare for Windows users.

    LOL, now Sly won't be able to sleep at all!

    Hey Sly... a couple of sips of that famous Red River white lightning water will help put you to sleep. Of course you don't want to sip too much or you may have trouble waking up!

  11. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by chscag View Post
    It's just what it says. There's a third party driver trying to load that was preventing the machine from booting. Kernel extensions are drivers. By starting up in Safe Mode, all third party extensions are bypassed and only Apple extensions are loaded. One reason why we recommend starting in safe mode when kernel panics occur.

    It's now up to you to do some detective work and figure which one is causing your problem. You might want to download and run the EtreCheck app.
    Thanks for the app, I’ll check it out. If I get kernel panics and it won’t start up in safe mode, what do you do then?


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    Repeated Kernel Panics on Boot
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    Thanks for the app, I’ll check it out. If I get kernel panics and it won’t start up in safe mode, what do you do then?
    Let's take it one problem at a time. Run the EtreCheck app and copy the report to your clipboard and then post it here for us to look at. The report will list all the kexts (drivers) and other things that are being loaded. From that, we can try to figure what's going on. Don't worry about starting in Safe Mode for now.

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    EtreCheck version: 5.3.2 (5034)
    Report generated: 2019-07-25 22:30:42
    Download EtreCheck from EtreCheck
    Runtime: 2:57
    Performance: Excellent
    Sandbox: Enabled
    Full drive access: Disabled

    Problem: Other problem

    Major Issues:
    Anything that appears on this list needs immediate attention.
    No Time Machine backup - Time Machine backup not found.
    Obsolete hardware - This machine may be considered obsolete.

    Minor Issues:
    These issues do not need immediate attention but they may indicate future problems or opportunities for improvement.
    Heavy RAM usage - This machine is using a large amount of RAM.
    High battery cycle count - Your battery may be losing capacity.
    32-bit Apps - This machine has 32-bits apps will not work after macOS 10.14 “Mojave”.
    Limited drive access - More information may be available with Full Drive Access.

    Hardware Information:
    MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid 2010) - Obsolete!
    MacBook Pro Model: MacBookPro7,1
    1 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (Duo) CPU: 2-core
    8 RAM - At maximum
    BANK 0/DIMM0 - 4 GB DDR3 1067 ok
    BANK 1/DIMM0 - 4 GB DDR3 1067 ok
    Battery: Health = Normal - Cycle count = 837

    Video Information:
    NVIDIA GeForce 320M - VRAM: 256 MB
    Color LCD 1280 x 800

    Drives:
    disk0 - CT500MX500SSD1 500.11 GB (Solid State - TRIM: No)
    Internal SATA 3 Gigabit Serial ATA
    disk0s1 - EFI (MS-DOS FAT32) [EFI] 210 MB
    disk0s2 [APFS Container] 499.90 GB
    disk1 [APFS Virtual drive] 499.90 GB (Shared by 4 volumes)
    disk1s1 - Macintosh HD (APFS) (Shared - 44.08 GB used)
    disk1s2 - Preboot (APFS) [APFS Preboot] (Shared)
    disk1s3 - Recovery (APFS) [Recovery] (Shared)
    disk1s4 - VM (APFS) [APFS VM] (Shared - 5.37 GB used)

    Mounted Volumes:
    disk1s1 - Macintosh HD
    499.90 GB (Shared - 44.08 GB used - 449.75 GB free)
    APFS
    Mount point: /

    disk1s4 - VM [APFS VM]
    499.90 GB (Shared - 5.37 GB used - 449.75 GB free)
    APFS
    Mount point: /private/var/vm

    Network:
    Interface en0: Ethernet
    Interface fw0: FireWire
    Interface en1: Wi-Fi
    802.11 a/b/g/n
    Interface en2: Bluetooth PAN

    System Software:
    macOS High Sierra 10.13.6 (17G7024)
    Time since boot: About 9 hours

    Notifications:
    Notifications not available without Full Drive Access.

    Security:
    System Status
    Gatekeeper: Enabled
    System Integrity Protection: Enabled

    32-bit Applications:
    One 32-bit app

    System Launch Agents:
    [Not Loaded] 15 Apple tasks
    [Loaded] 169 Apple tasks
    [Running] 110 Apple tasks

    System Launch Daemons:
    [Not Loaded] 38 Apple tasks
    [Loaded] 190 Apple tasks
    [Running] 108 Apple tasks

    Audio Plug-ins:
    AppleTimeSyncAudioClock: 1.0 (Apple - installed 2019-07-22)
    BluetoothAudioPlugIn: 6.0.7 (Apple - installed 2019-07-22)
    AirPlay: 2.0 (Apple - installed 2019-07-22)
    AppleAVBAudio: 683.1 (Apple - installed 2019-07-22)
    BridgeAudioSP: 4.69.2 (Apple - installed 2019-07-22)
    iSightAudio: 7.7.3 (Apple - installed 2019-07-22)

    Time Machine:
    Time Machine Not Configured!

    Performance:
    System Load: 3.05 (1 min ago) 7.87 (5 min ago) 8.78 (15 min ago)
    Nominal I/O speed: 0.21 MB/s
    File system: 52.92 seconds
    Write speed: 216 MB/s
    Read speed: 268 MB/s

    Top Processes Snapshot by Memory:
    Process (count) RAM usage (Source - Location)
    com.apple.WebKit.WebContent (33) 4.00 GB (Apple)
    EtreCheck 456 MB (App Store)
    Maps 219 MB (Apple)
    mdworker (11) 204 MB (Apple)
    Safari 172 MB (Apple)

    Top Processes Snapshot by Network Use:
    Process (count) Input / Output (Source - Location)
    Other processes 4 MB / 410 KB (?)
    Notes 8 KB / 2 KB (Apple)
    SystemUIServer 0 B / 272 B (Apple)
    routined 0 B / 0 B (Apple)
    NotificationCenter 0 B / 0 B (Apple)

    Virtual Memory Information:
    Physical RAM: 8 GB

    Free RAM: 16 MB
    Used RAM: 6.34 GB
    Cached files: 1.65 GB

    Available RAM: 1.66 GB
    Swap Used: 14 MB

    Software Installs (past 30 days):
    Install Date Name (Version)
    2019-07-21 Pages (8.0)
    2019-07-21 Numbers (6.0)
    2019-07-22 Safari (12.1.1)
    2019-07-22 iTunes (12.8.2)
    2019-07-22 Security Update 2019-003 (10.13.6)
    2019-07-22 Gatekeeper Configuration Data (172)
    2019-07-22 MRTConfigData (1.47)
    2019-07-25 EtreCheck (5.3.2)

    Diagnostics Information (past 7 days):
    Directory /Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports is not accessible.
    Enable Full Drive Access to see more information.

    End of report


    Thanks!

  14. #29
    Repeated Kernel Panics on Boot
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    This artical may be of interest to you as well as having some very useful links. macOS High Sierra Compatible Macs and System Requirements: EveryMac.com
    Your mid 2010 MBP would be running at the very edge of compatibility for High Sierra and you might well consider an earlier macOS especially if your memory (RAM) is the standard 2Gb for that model it really is not enough.
    Also note this article states that, "In addition to being one of the categories of Mac listed above, it also needs to be running OS X Mountain Lion (10.8) or higher prior to installation" of High Sierra and the HEVC support issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod View Post
    This artical may be of interest to you as well as having some very useful links. macOS High Sierra Compatible Macs and System Requirements: EveryMac.com
    Your mid 2010 MBP would be running at the very edge of compatibility for High Sierra and you might well consider an earlier macOS especially if your memory (RAM) is the standard 2Gb for that model it really is not enough.
    Also note this article states that, "In addition to being one of the categories of Mac listed above, it also needs to be running OS X Mountain Lion (10.8) or higher prior to installation" of High Sierra and the HEVC support issues.
    Sorry I don’t understand a few things. It was running 10.8 before High Sierra and it has 8GB of RAM. Should it be okay to run HS with this?

    Apart from the broader aspect that the performance increases with the hardware accelerated HEVC I don’t really understand the HEVC support issues (apart from the fact that I don’t have the accelerated HEVC).


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