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    Upgrading a Late 2014 Mac Mini. How much faster am I looking at here?
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    The retailers you think of typically sell memory or RAM modules, for RAM chips one has to get them from a distributor or a specialized retailer that sells electronic components.
    Although I would think those are becoming fewer and fewer since there aren't that many hobbyists that build their own circuits from scratch.
    Seems swhen I google for RAM chips, all I get are RAM modules.

    If you know the manufacturer and the product code of the chip (which would be marked on it) you should be able to find some place on the net where you can buy that.

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    Upgrading a Late 2014 Mac Mini. How much faster am I looking at here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by krs View Post
    Swapping out a 5400 rpm spinner for an SSD would also significantly speed up swapping between RAM and the drive should that be required because there is not enough RAM.
    That would make it less necessary to increase the RAM.
    First want to say how informative this thread is, as about a year from now, I will need to replace my late 2012 Mac Mini with a newer model, given that for my 2012 machine, Catalina will be the last Mac OS it can run (just a guess on my part). Since I will want the option to upgrade the RAM myself, it's nice that the 2018 models offer that capability. But in looking at ifixit.com, it is somewhat more difficult to upgrade the RAM in the 2018 models than it was when I upgraded the RAM myself in my late 2012 model. Of course, the 2018 models come standard with 8 Gig of RAM, which is just fine for my needs. I will definitely go with the $1,099 Core i5, 256GB SSD model, but I might consider having the processor upgraded to a Core i7. My current Mac Mini has a Core i7 processor.

    Sorry to digress somewhat. In any event, after I purchased my late 2012 Mac Mini, with a (slow) 1 TB 5400 rpm drive, I swapped out that HDD for a Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD about 4 months later. And just like others experienced, the machine flew! And that was true with the stock 4GB of RAM inside the machine. I subsequently installed the 1 TB drive inside an Orico enclosure, used it for a little while as an external drive, but eventually sold it for $100.

    About 2 or so years ago, OWC had a sale on 8 Gig of RAM for my machine, and I went ahead and purchased it. Installation was a snap, but like others said, it did not increase the speed much at all (if at all). But it could help when I decide to sell it.
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    Upgrading a Late 2014 Mac Mini. How much faster am I looking at here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by honestone33 View Post
    About 2 or so years ago, OWC had a sale on 8 Gig of RAM for my machine, and I went ahead and purchased it. Installation was a snap, but like others said, it did not increase the speed much at all (if at all).
    Many well meaning users will oversell you on the need/advantages of installing more RAM. They do so based on common wisdom that is about a decade out of date.

    Apple has been using advanced memory compression and very smart memory management since Mavericks, and it's become more advanced with every major new version of the Mac OS released since:

    Understanding Compressed Memory on the Mac

    OS X 10.9 Mavericks: The Ars Technica Review | Ars Technica

    Once you get over about 8GB's of RAM, unless you are doing something really RAM intensive, like editing video or doing animation, there will be drastically diminished returns by upgrading to more RAM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy B. Singer View Post
    Many well meaning users will oversell you on the need/advantages of installing more RAM. They do so based on common wisdom that is about a decade out of date.

    Apple has been using advanced memory compression and very smart memory management since Mavericks, and it's become more advanced with every major new version of the Mac OS released since:

    Understanding Compressed Memory on the Mac

    OS X 10.9 Mavericks: The Ars Technica Review | Ars Technica

    Once you get over about 8GB's of RAM, unless you are doing something really RAM intensive, like editing video or doing animation, there will be drastically diminished returns by upgrading to more RAM.
    Understand. But I went from 4 Gig to 8 Gig of RAM, and never had any plans of installing anymore. I "perceived" some improvement in performance, but nothing earth shattering. However, when I sell the machine, it should help with that, and probably netting a somewhat higher price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy B. Singer View Post
    Apple has been using advanced memory compression and very smart memory management since Mavericks, and it's become more advanced with every major new version of the Mac OS released.
    Thanks, at least I know now what is meant by "Memory Pressure"

    I ended up increasing my 2012 Mini RAM to 16GB simply because the price at the time wasn't much more than for 8GB - I found at the time it really made a performance improvement coming from 4GB, but I'm also still running the original spinner drive.

    I run the Mac 24/7 so boot up time is not an issue and I also leave all the apps running that I use regularly so I don't think changing the drive to an SSD would do much for me.
    The 2017 MBa I just bought has an SSD in it - yeah it's faster to boot up and launch an app the first time, but after that I don't see a noticeable boost in performance.

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    Thanks, at least I know now what is meant by "Memory Pressure"

    And here, I always thought that Memory Pressure was that thing when you get older and trying to recall what the last thing you started out to do actually was, but you just cannot remember.


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    Quote Originally Posted by krs View Post
    I ended up increasing my 2012 Mini RAM to 16GB simply because the price at the time wasn't much more than for 8GB - I found at the time it really made a performance improvement coming from 4GB, but I'm also still running the original spinner drive.
    At the time I upgraded my late 2012 Mac Mini from 4 to 8 Gig, the company I was purchasing the RAM from (OWC) also has good prices on the 16 Gig RAM modules. But, given that I don't use either of my Macs nowhere near as much as you do (and probably others), the jump to 8 Gig was easily enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pm-r View Post
    And here, I always thought that Memory Pressure was that thing when you get older and trying to recall what the last thing you started out to do actually was, but you just cannot remember.


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