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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by pm-r View Post
    Sorry, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but would definitely agree about replacing your hard drive, and would not install anything less than a 7200-rpm HDD
    Or as has been suggested, installing a decent-sized 7200 RPM HDD PLUS maybe an additional SSD. Then use the latter as a boot drive.

    Your installed 16GB RAM should be more than enough for the type of work you seem to do, and redoing thermal paste as suggestion should be completely unnecessary on a 7 year old Mac, and certainly not recommended for somebody to do who does not do it regularly.

    I would strongly recommend first thing that you have and use a new external hard drive and use CCC (Carbon Copy Cloner) to clone your existing drive to make a bootable backup.

    Once that is done and tested, you could also try just erasing your existing Boot Drive and use the new CCC clone to clone your backup to your freshly erased boot Drive. That alone would probably speed things up drastically.

    PPS: The above are not any jerk type comments, but things I know that work from 30+ years working with and supporting Macs.

    PPPS: when was the last time you did some Mac maintenance like booting up using Safe Boot Mode and restarting, which alone will throw out a lot of crap and organize other stuff, and may even help speeding things up.

    Great suggestions Patrick...always good to have a logical plan...especially before replacing & upgrading to a new drive.

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  2. #62
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    Quote Originally Posted by pm-r View Post
    Sorry, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but would definitely agree about replacing your hard drive, and would not install anything less than a 7200-rpm HDD
    Or as has been suggested, installing a decent-sized 7200 RPM HDD PLUS maybe an additional SSD. Then use the latter as a boot drive.

    Your installed 16GB RAM should be more than enough for the type of work you seem to do, and redoing thermal paste as suggestion should be completely unnecessary on a 7 year old Mac, and certainly not recommended for somebody to do who does not do it regularly.

    PS: You can find all the specs for your particular Mac and some of the suggested upgrades and suggested sources here:
    Mac mini "Core i7" 2.3 (Late 2012) Specs (Late 2012, MD388LL/A, Macmini6,2, A1347, 2570): EveryMac.com

    Many of the suggested sources are also recommended by various members on this site.

    I would strongly recommend first thing that you have and use a new external hard drive and use CCC (Carbon Copy Cloner) to clone your existing drive to make a bootable backup.

    Once that is done and tested, you could also try just erasing your existing Boot Drive and use the new CCC clone to clone your backup to your freshly erased boot Drive. That alone would probably speed things up drastically.

    PPS: The above are not any jerk type comments, but things I know that work from 30+ years working with and supporting Macs.

    PPPS: when was the last time you did some Mac maintenance like booting up using Safe Boot Mode and restarting, which alone will throw out a lot of crap and organize other stuff, and may even help speeding things up.


    Good luck.


    - Patrick
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    Thank you for clearing that up! I appreciate it.

    I had thought about buying an external drive over the weekend so will look into doing so now.

    I do plan to buy an SSD drive, just having a hard time deciding on one. As mentioned in my post in the prior page, what is the difference between a Samsung SSD and one offered by Mac Sales? There is a huge price difference. If I am paying for the quality, I don't mind because I consider the mini to be a good investment. If the processor is still considered relatively fast and the only thing slowing it down is the slow HDD, I am all for upgrading to an SSD. I would appreciate any insight you have to offer on this. I'd like to make the purchase and get going on the upgrade!

    The only Mac maintenance I have done is running Onyx Sunday or Monday as suggested by members in this thread. If there is other maintenance that needs to be done, I am happy to do it, just need to know what I should do.

    My time capsule running slow was just as an offshoot of this conversation, since I had been receiving so much help in this thread I thought I would ask for assistance with that as well. It has yet to complete a back up of the mini. My last back up was almost two years ago so I know it's long past due.

    If I don't need to mess with the thermal paste I am perfectly happy with that!

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by pigoo3 View Post
    This is called having a nice dialog between the OP and forum members trying to help.

    I think for the most part the "darts" that have been throw are:

    - Replace the old HD with a new HD.
    - Replace the old HD with an SSD.
    - Install 1 or 2 storage devices.
    - Run Onyx.
    - Create more free space.
    - Replace thermal compound.

    I believe running Onyx has been tried...not sure if creating more free space was tried. The rest of the conversation is deciding what to do (what to replace)...and once that's been done...order the parts & do the install(s)...and do any thermal paste replacing while in there (only open things up once).

    A pretty good conversation I think

    - Nick
    It's been a great conversation and I appreciate you answering my somewhat lame and possibly redundant questions!

    What are your thoughts on the thermal compound?
    Last edited by cherry_bomb; 06-13-2019 at 04:26 PM.
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  3. #63
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    My mini was running hot. So, while I had it pulled down to clean it, and I had the tools, I purchased a small tube of paste on amazon, and did that at the same time. The old paste had turned to chalk dust and had been very badly applied anyway. So I cleaned it all up, applied a thin smear of paste - which is all it needs, and put it all back together. No more overheating problems.
    So if you are going to take your Mini apart to replace the drive(S) then you may as well do the heatsink while you are at it. £2 tube of paste isnít much extra.



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  4. #64
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    PS. Iím not familiar with the price comparisons you mention. I like Crucial drives, because they have a good reputation, good support, and a fair price. The 1TB SSD I bought from them was perfect for my needs.


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  5. #65
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    Quote Originally Posted by rachalmers View Post
    My mini was running hot. So, while I had it pulled down to clean it, and I had the tools, I purchased a small tube of paste on amazon, and did that at the same time. The old paste had turned to chalk dust and had been very badly applied anyway. So I cleaned it all up, applied a thin smear of paste - which is all it needs, and put it all back together. No more overheating problems.
    So if you are going to take your Mini apart to replace the drive(S) then you may as well do the heatsink while you are at it. £2 tube of paste isn’t much extra.



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    Mine is definitely running hot.
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  6. #66
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    The only Mac maintenance I have done is running Onyx Sunday or Monday as suggested by members in this thread. If there is other maintenance that needs to be done, I am happy to do it, just need to know what I should do.
    Here is what I do for my Mac routine maintenance;

    Safe mode boot, Use safe mode to isolate issues with your Mac - Apple Support
    NVRAM reset, Reset NVRAM or PRAM on your Mac - Apple Support
    SMC reset, How to reset the System Management Controller (SMC) on your Mac - Apple Support
    Disk Utility > First Aid from Recovery, About macOS Recovery - Apple Support

    And I also keep the macOS bootable USB drive handy, just in case.

    As for 3rd party apps, I use

    AdBlock & Ghostery with all the browsers.
    AppCleaner, to clean apps I delete.
    DriveDx, to diagnose and report drive errors.
    EtreCheck, to diagnose issues (if any) with my mini.
    MacsFanControl, to monitor fans/heat.
    Maintenance/Onyx, which I'm not using anymore.
    MalwareBytes, self explanatory, but I'm also not using it any more.
    -- Bob --
    Please backup. Everything has a life cycle, unexpected and warning free. Nothing will last as long as you want it to.

  7. #67
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    Quote Originally Posted by rachalmers View Post
    PS. I’m not familiar with the price comparisons you mention. I like Crucial drives, because they have a good reputation, good support, and a fair price. The 1TB SSD I bought from them was perfect for my needs.


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    The prices are really good!
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  8. #68
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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrarr View Post
    Here is what I do for my Mac routine maintenance;

    Safe mode boot, Use safe mode to isolate issues with your Mac - Apple Support
    NVRAM reset, Reset NVRAM or PRAM on your Mac - Apple Support
    SMC reset, How to reset the System Management Controller (SMC) on your Mac - Apple Support
    Disk Utility > First Aid from Recovery, About macOS Recovery - Apple Support

    And I also keep the macOS bootable USB drive handy, just in case.

    As for 3rd party apps, I use

    AdBlock & Ghostery with all the browsers.
    AppCleaner, to clean apps I delete.
    DriveDx, to diagnose and report drive errors.
    EtreCheck, to diagnose issues (if any) with my mini.
    MacsFanControl, to monitor fans/heat.
    Maintenance/Onyx, which I'm not using anymore.
    MalwareBytes, self explanatory, but I'm also not using it any more.
    Thanks for giving me a run down! I will look into those. I just realized as I was typing this I haven't heard my fan come on in awhile! Maybe Onyx helped with that issue?
    "Treat people as you would like to be treated."

  9. #69
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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrarr View Post
    Here is what I do for my Mac routine maintenance;

    Safe mode boot, Use safe mode to isolate issues with your Mac - Apple Support
    NVRAM reset, Reset NVRAM or PRAM on your Mac - Apple Support
    SMC reset, How to reset the System Management Controller (SMC) on your Mac - Apple Support
    Disk Utility > First Aid from Recovery, About macOS Recovery - Apple Support

    And I also keep the macOS bootable USB drive handy, just in case.

    As for 3rd party apps, I use

    AdBlock & Ghostery with all the browsers.
    AppCleaner, to clean apps I delete.
    DriveDx, to diagnose and report drive errors.
    EtreCheck, to diagnose issues (if any) with my mini.
    MacsFanControl, to monitor fans/heat.
    Maintenance/Onyx, which I'm not using anymore.
    MalwareBytes, self explanatory, but I'm also not using it any more.
    Is this the app cleaner you use? Cleaner-App on the Mac App Store
    "Treat people as you would like to be treated."

  10. #70
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    No, I use this one, AppCleaner
    -- Bob --
    Please backup. Everything has a life cycle, unexpected and warning free. Nothing will last as long as you want it to.

  11. #71
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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrarr View Post
    No, I use this one, AppCleaner
    I downloaded both and things are getting better! Its still slow but Im not getting the constant beach ball now. LOL
    "Treat people as you would like to be treated."

  12. #72
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    Quote Originally Posted by cherry_bomb View Post
    Thanks for giving me a run down! I will look into those. I just realized as I was typing this I haven't heard my fan come on in awhile! Maybe Onyx helped with that issue?
    Yes, be careful adding lots of third party apps. Most are unnecessary, and a lot are 32bit. Which soon wonít work.
    You donít need fan control. The Mac one is all you need, itís built in.
    The less you have running in the background the better.
    Open up the System Preferences and see what you have starting up at boot time. Open Security and see what you are giving access to.
    Disable all non Apple programs, and get rid of most of it.
    Apple is very good at looking after itself.

    As for maintenance. Take the bottom off and blow out the dust every six months.


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  13. #73
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    Managing your startup items
    How to remove startup programs in macOS Sierra and earlier OS X?

    and check whats causing CPU hogging using Activity monitor. Sort on the CPU % column.

    Screenshot 2019-06-14 08.24.43.png

    I've NEVER reset the SMC, NVRAM or any of that. Can't remember the last time I booted into Safe Mode. I dont think I ever have.
    I did get rid of all 32 bit software on the system.
    ... and I'm running some pretty heavy duty stuff here. The current background temperature is 70' and steady.

  14. #74
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    Hey ferrarr, have you ever checked with say Find Any File to see if App Cleaner has removed all associated files?
    The reason I ask is because I recently uninstalled MalwareBytes using the supplied uninstalled and was horrified to find more than 20 residual files remaining.


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  15. #75
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod Sprague View Post
    Hey ferrarr, have you ever checked with say Find Any File to see if App Cleaner has removed all associated files?
    The reason I ask is because I recently uninstalled MalwareBytes using the supplied uninstalled and was horrified to find more than 20 residual files remaining.


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    I don't use Find Any File, but when I use AppCleaner, I do notice some items that are referenced to be removed, are unchecked, so I make sure I check those items.
    -- Bob --
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