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    Quote Originally Posted by pigoo3 View Post
    What you're looking for is to see if the computer feels any faster.

    Remember...we're trying to figure out if there's any way for us to improve the speed of your Mac-Mini. We talked about maybe it's a:

    - failing HD
    - needs some maintenance (Onyx)
    - maybe a combination of these two
    - maybe needs a new drive to replace the possibly failing HD that's in there currently.

    If your Mac-Mini is doing at least some things faster (things that were slower before running Onyx)...maybe Onyx helped a little. If nothing seems faster...then maybe the Onyx maintenance didn't help...or help much. Also remember that a hard drive that's too full will also slow things down.

    HTH,

    - Nick
    Sorry, what I meant was is there a report I can review to see what Onyx did? Or the only way I can see if it helped is if it's faster? Thank you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cherry_bomb View Post
    Sorry, what I meant was is there a report I can review to see what Onyx did?
    Not that I'm aware of (I could be wrong). Onyx is not really like one of those "over-hyped" & "over-advertised" (and often not beneficial to install) cleaner apps....that before they begin they tell you how much can be "cleaned"...and when they finish they give you a report on how much & how many items were cleaned/removed...and how much storage space was recovered.

    Onyx is a good solid app (and free)...that we've recommended for years & years. If you look at the list of tasks it performs...it pretty much tells you what it will do/did each time it's run.

    Quote Originally Posted by cherry_bomb View Post
    Or the only way I can see if it helped is if it's faster?
    Sometimes members that use Onyx fell like their computer is faster after running Onyx (especially if no maintenance has been done on a computer in a long time). I kind of thought that if your Mac-Mini hasn't had any maintenance done on it in a while (or ever) that Onyx might help.

    Running Onyx was one thing for us to try...to see if it would help...and before spending money on something. If your Mac-Mini still seems slow...then either the HD is too full...or it may be failing...and then we're back to the solution that maybe a new drive is needed.

    No matter what the slowness issue is due to. If an SSD is installed & is the boot drive...things will feel much faster!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pigoo3 View Post
    Not that I'm aware of (I could be wrong). Onyx is not really like one of those "over-hyped" & "over-advertised" (and often not beneficial to install) cleaner apps....that before they begin they tell you how much can be "cleaned"...and when they finish they give you a report on how much & how many items were cleaned/removed...and how much storage space was recovered.

    Onyx is a good solid app (and free)...that we've recommended for years & years. If you look at the list of tasks it performs...it pretty much tells you what it will do/did each time it's run.



    Sometimes members that use Onyx fell like their computer is faster after running Onyx (especially if no maintenance has been done on a computer in a long time). I kind of thought that if your Mac-Mini hasn't had any maintenance done on it in a while (or ever) that Onyx might help.

    Running Onyx was one thing for us to try...to see if it would help...and before spending money on something. If your Mac-Mini still seems slow...then either the HD is too full...or it may be failing...and then we're back to the solution that maybe a new drive is needed.

    No matter what the slowness issue is due to. If an SSD is installed & is the boot drive...things will feel much faster!

    - Nick
    It seemed to be running a little bit faster! I've been trying to back up to my time capsule today and when I left the house it was still working on preparing the backup and it had been preparing for a few hours. Fingers crossed it's done when I get home! Mini Upgrade


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    So just got home, my time capsule back up has been running since 11:15 am PST and it's not 4:51 pm and it's only completed 28.53 GB of 378.60 GB. It doesn't show the time remaining. Wondering how long I should let it run? It's been ages since I've done a back up so I don't recall how long it takes.


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    So I am trying to decide on an SSD drive. What is the biggest difference between say a Crucial MX500 or Samsung 860 Evo SSD vs the OWC Electra 6G or Mercury Extreme, besides the price? Is it because it includes the kit or is it just a superior product? I'm happy to save money, but also would like to make a sound investment.
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    Have you done a "power cycle" through your home network, where you unplug all your network components, then connect one thing at a time to set up your home network?
    -- Bob --
    Please backup. Everything has a life cycle, unexpected and warning free. Nothing will last as long as you want it to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cherry_bomb View Post
    Thank you! Is the heat sink compound part of the kit it something I'll need to buy separately?


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    The heat sink compound is separate. Cheap as chips on Amazon etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrarr View Post
    Have you done a "power cycle" through your home network, where you unplug all your network components, then connect one thing at a time to set up your home network?
    I have, yes. Mini Upgrade The only thing that is running slow is the mini, although it is little faster than it was.




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    Hmm....so when I left for work this morning my mini was backing up to the time capsule. However, when I checked it this evening it shows the last back up was done in 2017. I guess I should try another power cycle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rachalmers View Post
    The heat sink compound is separate. Cheap as chips on Amazon etc.


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    Something like this?

    https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-MX-4-C...A2AJSF4KMQFPC8
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    Quote Originally Posted by cherry_bomb View Post
    Hmm....so when I left for work this morning my mini was backing up to the time capsule. However, when I checked it this evening it shows the last back up was done in 2017. I guess I should try another power cycle?
    Quote Originally Posted by cherry_bomb View Post

    Excuse me for saying, but from what I've read on this thread and maybe I missed something, but it sounds like throwing a whole bunch of darts at the problem and then see if any hit the target for a possible fix without even trying some.

    Now it's into thermal paste for a fix and past 56 posts??? Not exactly what I would call normal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pm-r View Post
    Excuse me for saying, but from what I've read on this thread and maybe I missed something, but it sounds like throwing a whole bunch of darts at the problem and then see if any hit the target for a possible fix without even trying some.

    Now it's into thermal paste for a fix and past 56 posts??? Not exactly what I would call normal.


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    You don't think replacing my 7 yr old 5700hd with an SDD will make a difference? And did you actually read the posts? Because I did try their suggestions, which led us up to replacing the hard drive. And forgive me for asking, but are you being a jerk or is it just coming across that way via text? It's hard to tell.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pigoo3 View Post
    Not that I'm aware of (I could be wrong). Onyx is not really like one of those "over-hyped" & "over-advertised" (and often not beneficial to install) cleaner apps....that before they begin they tell you how much can be "cleaned"...and when they finish they give you a report on how much & how many items were cleaned/removed...and how much storage space was recovered.

    Onyx is a good solid app (and free)...that we've recommended for years & years. If you look at the list of tasks it performs...it pretty much tells you what it will do/did each time it's run.



    Sometimes members that use Onyx fell like their computer is faster after running Onyx (especially if no maintenance has been done on a computer in a long time). I kind of thought that if your Mac-Mini hasn't had any maintenance done on it in a while (or ever) that Onyx might help.

    Running Onyx was one thing for us to try...to see if it would help...and before spending money on something. If your Mac-Mini still seems slow...then either the HD is too full...or it may be failing...and then we're back to the solution that maybe a new drive is needed.

    No matter what the slowness issue is due to. If an SSD is installed & is the boot drive...things will feel much faster!

    - Nick
    Nick,

    Do you have any thoughts of the SD I should buy? Asked a few questions on the previous page re: comparisons. Thank you!


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    Quote Originally Posted by cherry_bomb View Post
    You don't think replacing my 7 yr old 5700hd with an SDD will make a difference? And did you actually read the posts? Because I did try their suggestions, which led us up to replacing the hard drive. And forgive me for asking, but are you being a jerk or is it just coming across that way via text? It's hard to tell.

    Sorry, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but would definitely agree about replacing your hard drive, and would not install anything less than a 7200-rpm HDD
    Or as has been suggested, installing a decent-sized 7200 RPM HDD PLUS maybe an additional SSD. Then use the latter as a boot drive.

    Your installed 16GB RAM should be more than enough for the type of work you seem to do, and redoing thermal paste as suggestion should be completely unnecessary on a 7 year old Mac, and certainly not recommended for somebody to do who does not do it regularly.

    PS: You can find all the specs for your particular Mac and some of the suggested upgrades and suggested sources here:
    Mac mini "Core i7" 2.3 (Late 2012) Specs (Late 2012, MD388LL/A, Macmini6,2, A1347, 2570): EveryMac.com

    Many of the suggested sources are also recommended by various members on this site.

    I would strongly recommend first thing that you have and use a new external hard drive and use CCC (Carbon Copy Cloner) to clone your existing drive to make a bootable backup.

    Once that is done and tested, you could also try just erasing your existing Boot Drive and use the new CCC clone to clone your backup to your freshly erased boot Drive. That alone would probably speed things up drastically.

    PPS: The above are not any jerk type comments, but things I know that work from 30+ years working with and supporting Macs.

    PPPS: when was the last time you did some Mac maintenance like booting up using Safe Boot Mode and restarting, which alone will throw out a lot of crap and organize other stuff, and may even help speeding things up.


    Good luck.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pm-r View Post
    Excuse me for saying, but from what I've read on this thread and maybe I missed something, but it sounds like throwing a whole bunch of darts at the problem and then see if any hit the target for a possible fix without even trying some.

    Now it's into thermal paste for a fix and past 56 posts??? Not exactly what I would call normal.
    This is called having a nice dialog between the OP and forum members trying to help.

    I think for the most part the "darts" that have been throw are:

    - Replace the old HD with a new HD.
    - Replace the old HD with an SSD.
    - Install 1 or 2 storage devices.
    - Run Onyx.
    - Create more free space.
    - Replace thermal compound.

    I believe running Onyx has been tried...not sure if creating more free space was tried. The rest of the conversation is deciding what to do (what to replace)...and once that's been done...order the parts & do the install(s)...and do any thermal paste replacing while in there (only open things up once).

    A pretty good conversation I think

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