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    Quote Originally Posted by rachalmers View Post
    Yes, 5400 is the old slow (cheap) drives. Get rid of them for SSD if you can. No reason you canít run 2xSSD. Iím not familiar with the two programs you mention, but the words ďmedia serverĒ are a bit of a clue. Donít know what SABNZBD is. But if they are high CPU users and high disk throughput users, they will certainly slow you down.
    To give you an idea. Mine runs a lot of stuff in the background. It used to take minutes... to start up. On a 5400 hdd. I put in the SSD and now it takes about 8 seconds to fully start up.
    I always use Carbon Copy Clone to make a bootable clone of my main drive. Run it once a week. When I swapped,just cloned the hdd to the SSD, swapped them in/out and booted up. Nearly fell out of my chair at the speed difference.
    Iím running a web server, mail server, and lots of other stuff. Really fast now. Just running out of room!


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    Okay I'll get started looking! So I should be able to install the SSD, then I'll make a bootable clone on it? Can I also transfer everything over to it, install my new HD or another SSD, then move the data back?

    Thank you for all your tips and patience, I appreciate it!


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    Quote Originally Posted by rachalmers View Post
    The speed increase comes with making your SSD the boot drive. Just get 1 big one (2 TB+) and clone it.

    In the meantime, download Onyx and just run it with its defaults. Reboot, and you should notice a difference. Just check the settings first though in case it wants to cleanup something you donít want it todo. It cleans out lots of rubbish. Full hdd really slows down your system.



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    Almost forgot about Onyx! Will DL it now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pigoo3 View Post
    2012 Mac-Mini's (as far as installed internal drives) came in two versions...a "regular" version...and a server version. The "regular" version came with a storage drive (hard drive) and an optical drive (DVD/CD drive). The 2012 server version came with two hard drives (no optical drive).

    If your 2012 Mac-Mini has an optical drive...and you no longer need the optical drive...then you could install two internal storage drives (I believe a special install kit may be needed for the 2nd storage drive).

    Member "rachalmers" mentioned having two internal drives installed...one HD & one SSD. This is a nice setup...since the SSD can be setup to be your boot drive (where the macOS is installed)...which makes everything feel faster...then you can install a large HD as the 2nd drive. This way you get the benefit of the speed of an SSD...and the lower storage cost (gigs/$$$) of a larger SSD.

    But if a large 1TB SSD works for you...then just installing one drive is fine.



    The app I usually recommend is called "Onyx". You download & install Onyx...open it...click on the "Execute" button (or whatever it's called...it changes with the version of Onyx)...then let it do it's thing. This is the default thing to do. I wouldn't mess with anything else...unless you know what you're doing. This can take a while (maybe 10-15 minutes sometimes).

    - Nick

    p.s. Looks like rachalmers beat me to it...our answers very similar.
    I guess I have the server version because it does not have a cd/dvd drive. I do like the idea of install 2 drives, one for data and the other as the boot drive. Would there be any negative to doing it that way? Work the processor too hard or anything?

    I appreciate all of your help, Nick! You've always been super helpful in the past, so glad I remembered to come back to this board for help.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rachalmers View Post
    Yes, exactly what I did Nick. Changing the drives and installing that second internal drive is not for the faint hearted though, and you do need the kit for either operation. Just swapping out the old drive or doing the dual internal. You canít do it without the kit. My mini was not a CD-ROM type one.



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    I think I can do it as long as I have something to follow. It's been years but I used to swap out drives in my pre-Mac days on my PCs, do it's not too intimidating. Definitely not over confident about it but I think I can handle it with the right guidance. Mini Upgrade

    Do I need to buy a kit for each one?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrarr View Post
    Yes, you can put two drives in your 2012 Mac mini, Mac mini Late 2012 Repair - iFixit, but there is a kit needed. You could always get one SSD and a 4TB or larger HDD.
    Do you have any suggestions of brands you would recommend? Thank you!


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    CherryBomb. But the SSD + usb adaptor. Download trial Carbon Copy Clone. Clone your boot drive to the new SSD. Following the fixit instructions, open your mini and swap the SSD for your old drive. Turn mini on. You will be using the SSD and everything will be on it. Itís a carbon copy of your old drive.
    Take your time. Do it carefully. Use the right tools. You need special screw drivers for the mini internals. Very VERY delicate cables in there too.
    Iím pretty sure you can get instructions from the SSD supplier as well.


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    ok,I meant Buy the SSD

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    carbon copy cloner

    Mac Backup Software | Carbon Copy Cloner | Bombich Software

    Obvously the Mac version.

    This si an example screwdriver set, and the compresed air cleaner to get rid of dust.

    IMG_7954S.jpg

    You can buy kits from OWC, and instructions from them, and Fixit. Replace the heatsink compound while you have the mini apart. It WILL need it.

    take care.

    Robert

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    Quote Originally Posted by cherry_bomb View Post
    I guess I have the server version because it does not have a cd/dvd drive.
    My apologies...I made a mistake & got my Mac-Mini models mixed up. 2012 Mac-Mini's didn't have an optical drive. Most likely you have the "regular" (non-server) 2012 Mac-Mini. But the good news is...you probably can install two internal storage drives (if you wished)...with the necessary install kit.

    Quote Originally Posted by cherry_bomb View Post
    I do like the idea of install 2 drives, one for data and the other as the boot drive. Would there be any negative to doing it that way? Work the processor too hard or anything?
    Installing two drives wouldn't really directly put any extra strain on the Mac-Mini hardware...but two drives might technically generate some additional heat...but this may not be excessive...since the 2012 Mac-Mini Server version had 2 "spinner" HD's installed in it...and it is/was ok.

    Plus...an SSD + HD combo should generate less heat than 2 spinner HD's...which would be less heat generated than the 2012 Mac-Mini server.

    In case you're interested...ifixit.com actually has a procedure for installing dual drives into a 2012 Mac-Mini. Here's the link:

    Installing Mac Mini Late 2012 Dual Hard Drive Kit - iFixit Repair Guide

    Also remember...you need a special install kit to install the 2nd drive. Here's the kit sold by www.ifixit.com...but other places like OWC (www.macsales.com)...probably also sell it:

    Mac mini Dual Drive Kit - iFixit

    HTH,

    - Nick

    p.s. Some of what I posted above probably duplicated some of the excellent info member rachalmers already posted.
    Last edited by pigoo3; 06-10-2019 at 12:01 PM. Reason: added info
    - Too many "beachballs", read this: Beachballs
    - Computer seems slower than it used to? Read this for some slow computer tips: Speedup
    - Almost full hard drive? Some solutions. Out of Space
    - Apple Battery Info. Battery

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    Quote Originally Posted by pigoo3 View Post
    My apologies...I made a mistake & got my Mac-Mini models mixed up. 2012 Mac-Mini's didn't have an optical drive. Most likely you have the "regular" (non-server) 2012 Mac-Mini. But the good news is...you probably can install two internal storage drives (if you wished)...with the necessary install kit.



    Installing two drives wouldn't really directly put any extra strain on the Mac-Mini hardware...but two drives might technically generate some additional heat...but this may not be excessive...since the 2012 Mac-Mini Server version had 2 "spinner" HD's installed in it...and it is/was ok.

    Plus...an SSD + HD combo should generate less heat than 2 spinner HD's...which would be less heat generated than the 2012 Mac-Mini server.

    In case you're interested...ifixit.com actually has a procedure for installing dual drives into a 2012 Mac-Mini. Here's the link:

    Installing Mac Mini Late 2012 Dual Hard Drive Kit - iFixit Repair Guide

    Also remember...you need a special install kit to install the 2nd drive. Here's the kit sold by ifixit.com...but other places like OWC (macsales.com)...probably also sell it:

    Mac mini Dual Drive Kit - iFixit

    HTH,

    - Nick

    p.s. Some of what I posted above probably duplicated some of the excellent info member rachalmers already posted.
    No worries! There's a lot of information going on here. Mini Upgrade

    Would it be better for the performance of the mini to install 2 SSDs? Or one SSD and one HD?


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    Quote Originally Posted by rachalmers View Post
    carbon copy cloner

    Mac Backup Software | Carbon Copy Cloner | Bombich Software

    Obvously the Mac version.

    This si an example screwdriver set, and the compresed air cleaner to get rid of dust.

    IMG_7954S.jpg

    You can buy kits from OWC, and instructions from them, and Fixit. Replace the heatsink compound while you have the mini apart. It WILL need it.

    take care.

    Robert
    Thank you! Is the heat sink compound part of the kit it something I'll need to buy separately?


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    Quote Originally Posted by cherry_bomb View Post
    Would it be better for the performance of the mini to install 2 SSDs? Or one SSD and one HD?
    The main reasons I mentioned installing two drives in your Mini was a combination of cost & storage capacity.

    Some users in the past have found the cost of larger SSD's (1TB SSD for example) to be too much...compared to the same capacity HD. But prices for larger SSD's continue to decrease all the time...and maybe this isn't the " cost hurdle" it once was.

    - If the cost & capacity of let's say a 500gig to 1TB SSD (or larger) works for you...then all you need to do is install one drive.
    - If you feel you need more internal storage...and want to keep costs lower...then install one SSD & one HD (but remember the HD will be slower...this is usually ok if this drive is mostly used to hold files, music, etc.).
    - If you feel you need more internal storage...and cost is no issue...then install two SSD's.



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    - Too many "beachballs", read this: Beachballs
    - Computer seems slower than it used to? Read this for some slow computer tips: Speedup
    - Almost full hard drive? Some solutions. Out of Space
    - Apple Battery Info. Battery

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    Okay, just checked my mini, I had Onyx run over night and the computer has restarted. What should I be looking at to see what progress was made? Last night under maintenance I selected run tasks, made no modifications.!


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    Thank you, Nick! I appreciate you letting me pick your brain. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by cherry_bomb View Post
    Okay, just checked my mini, I had Onyx run over night and the computer has restarted. What should I be looking at to see what progress was made?
    What you're looking for is to see if the computer feels any faster.

    Remember...we're trying to figure out if there's any way for us to improve the speed of your Mac-Mini. We talked about maybe it's a:

    - failing HD
    - needs some maintenance (Onyx)
    - maybe a combination of these two
    - maybe needs a new drive to replace the possibly failing HD that's in there currently.

    If your Mac-Mini is doing at least some things faster (things that were slower before running Onyx)...maybe Onyx helped a little. If nothing seems faster...then maybe the Onyx maintenance didn't help...or help much. Also remember that a hard drive that's too full will also slow things down.

    HTH,

    - Nick
    - Too many "beachballs", read this: Beachballs
    - Computer seems slower than it used to? Read this for some slow computer tips: Speedup
    - Almost full hard drive? Some solutions. Out of Space
    - Apple Battery Info. Battery

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