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Slydude
06-02-2014, 11:16 AM
Ok folks we're really slipping here/ Mere hours from the WWDC Keynote address and no rampant speculation, wish lists, etc? What gives? We've normally started a host of threads by now.

If Tech Crunch is right about an IOS 8 announcement my iPhone 4S will likely be left in the dust. Unfortunately my wife may not think that is a good enough reason to upgrade.

vansmith
06-02-2014, 11:24 AM
You want rampant speculation? No problem. Apple's going to start selling its own brand of beef in supermarkets. ;)

I imagine that something will happen regarding the Beats acquisition. That aside, as always, I'm more excited about OS X improvements than I am about iOS ones. Speculation from others (http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/2/5771424/leaked-images-might-be-first-glimpse-of-the-new-os-x) suggests that the next iteration of OS X is going to inherit some of the iOS 7 design details which is either going to look great or absolutely terrible (I'm one of the few that likes the iOS redesign). It looks like Spotlight might be more Alfred (http://www.alfredapp.com/) like which is awesome. I guess we'll find out in a few hours.

What I really want though is what they introduced with SL and then removed (for some reason) - the ability to see minimized windows in Mission Control. I'd also like to see hardware improvements to the MBA. I'm thinking well into the future here but I want what the MBA offers (battery life and weight) but with better guts. So, I keep wanting better internals even though I'm years away from getting a new Mac.

osxx
06-02-2014, 11:30 AM
I would like Siri on OSX.
App Store on the Apple TV.
Make Airdrop work on all.

Slydude
06-02-2014, 11:38 AM
You want rampant speculation? No problem. Apple's going to start selling its own brand of beef in supermarkets. ;)



ROTFL. Why stop at beef, How about hot dogs as well. Shape 'em the right way and you could call them infinite loops.

I forgot about the Beats acquisition, I think you're right there will be something there, I'll be keeping an eye on the OS X revisions as well. My MacBook Pro is at the age where it might get left behind by some changes or the entire update. Not expecting that to happen but it's possible.

I'd br annoyed by that but it wouldn't be the reason I upgrade the hardware.

vansmith
06-02-2014, 11:55 AM
Oh, that joke was bad...well done.

The acquisition has been talked about by everyone except Apple and Beats (other than "it's been done") so I think many people want more information. Why Beats? What do they offer?

I want a leaner and faster OS X. Honestly, if all they did was go Snow Leopard on this next iteration (by improving upon Mavericks instead of gutting it), I'd be happy. As for Siri, something I know a lot of people want, it'd be nice if I didn't spend most of my time in a library or somewhere where talking to my computer would just look weird.

Chris H.
06-02-2014, 11:55 AM
I suppose there's plenty of speculation about OS X 10.10 (my anal-retentive friend calls it 10.1…despite there being 10.1 some thirteen or fourteen years ago) and iOS 8. I also take it that my parents iPhone 4's (yes, iPhone 4) are out of the loop with the next iOS…and perhaps my Dad's iPad 2. I have the last remaining devices to run the next two or three iOS releases - until they're replaced.

I don't even want to know about the hardware limits of the next OS X release. Chances are, of the three Macs that I own, the newest will probably run it.

Is it 10AM PDT yet?

Raz0rEdge
06-02-2014, 12:08 PM
I haven't had a change to sit on Twitter and read through all of the rumors, so in one I'm actually totally going to be surprised by anything they announce. Another 52 mins to go and since they're live streaming it, I'll be on..:)

pigoo3
06-02-2014, 12:19 PM
Ok...I'll throw something crazy out there. Not that I'm a fan of this...but how about a laptop with a touchscreen.

- Nick

Slydude
06-02-2014, 12:24 PM
Ok...I'll throw something crazy out there. Not that I'm a fan of this...but how about a laptop with a touchscreen.

- Nick

It might happen though I personally would probably not be a fan.

Were you thinking something akin to the Surface? Double duty as an iPad/laptop? That probably would not have the horsepower I would be looking for. The next device I buy will have to do a respectable job as my primary machine.

Chris H.
06-02-2014, 12:30 PM
Ok...I'll throw something crazy out there. Not that I'm a fan of this...but how about a laptop with a touchscreen.

- Nick

A jab at Winders or are you seriously being serious? ;P

pigoo3
06-02-2014, 12:36 PM
Were you thinking something akin to the Surface? Double duty as an iPad/laptop?


A jab at Winders or are you seriously being serious? ;P

Well...I would really hate it if Apple did a "me too" product like the Surface. But I think that folks really would like a product that was a true "laptop replacement".

I think that Apple is heading in this direction with the rumors of a 12" "iPad Pro". But I think that the WWDC 2014 is supposed to be too early for something like this.

- Nick

Chris H.
06-02-2014, 12:39 PM
Well...I would really hate it if Apple did a "me too" product like the Surface. But I think that folks really would like a product that was a true "laptop replacement".

I think that Apple is heading in this direction with the rumors of a 12" "iPad Pro". But I think that the WWDC 2014 is supposed to be too early for something like this.

- Nick

I could imagine a 12" iPad…though…doesn't Apple usually release new iPads with the Fall event? Or an entirely separate event from both WWDC and the Fall events?

Slydude
06-02-2014, 12:41 PM
Well...I would really hate it if Apple did a "me too" product like the Surface. But I think that folks really would like a product that was a true "laptop replacement".

I think that Apple is heading in this direction with the rumors of a 12" "iPad Pro". But I think that the WWDC 2014 is supposed to be too early for something like this.

- Nick

Wow. How did I miss the iPad Pro rumors. I could get behind something that was a true laptop replacement. I would have to be be powerful enough to be my primary machine though.

pigoo3
06-02-2014, 12:52 PM
Wow. How did I miss the iPad Pro rumors. I could get behind something that was a true laptop replacement. I would have to be be powerful enough to be my primary machine though.

There have been a few articles written on it. Many have been pointing to an October/December 2014 launch date (if it actually happens).

For me...if all Apple did was increase the display size to 12+"...then this would not be a ground-breaking product (just like a larger display iPhone wouldn't be anything super exciting). For me...an iPad Pro has to be more of a laptop replacement...then just increasing the display size...and calling it "Pro"!

Heck...with this logic...an iPhone with a larger display could be called an "iPhone Pro" (what the heck would that be or mean)??;) Adding a larger display doesn't necessarily make something..."Pro-fessional"!;)

- Nick

vansmith
06-02-2014, 12:59 PM
If anyone would rather use a media player instead of Safari, the URL for the stream is:
http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/14poiunaeporfnsvpobjuanefvpjb6a/refs/14pijbefvoihbfva6_sl_ref.movIn QT, go to File > Open Location... and paste in that URL.

Slydude
06-02-2014, 01:11 PM
I'm listening on my Apple TV now.

vansmith
06-02-2014, 01:19 PM
I feel as if I might be in the minority here but that new look is well done. Notification centre looks to have gotten some more utility as well. And sweet, Spotlight gets what I've been using Alfred for! I want that version of Spotlight now...

Looks like Apple caught up with Dropbox, Google Drive and OneDrive with support for half the platforms. That gets them half to way to what a cloud service should be.

Slydude
06-02-2014, 01:25 PM
I'm looking at it now and I like the look also. Finally put the Sptlight bar somewhere useful.

BTW for you guys who have been around a while does Spotlight now remind you of Sherlock?

vansmith
06-02-2014, 01:29 PM
I wonder if this new version of Safari fixes that odd bug in which you can't see the progress of the page load if the address bar has focus. That really needs to be fixed. Bonus points for minimizing window chrome though.

The new version certainly looks interesting. If only they supported more platforms than OS X and iOS and had better extension support. Until then, it will remain a secondary browser.

Slydude
06-02-2014, 01:43 PM
I'm liking the continuity features. Hope they will work for FaceTime calls as well.

vansmith
06-02-2014, 01:55 PM
Well, that was some interestingly myopic language around the position of Android in the mobile market. It's no surprise that they talked about how they're losing global market share. Then again, they did steal rich notifications from Android so it seems that the strategy is to malign that which they take from. Apple really needs to ease up on the ridiculous rhetoric around Android since, because Google stays pretty quiet, it really just makes Apple look insecure.

Ok, that's my iOS rant for the day.

Slydude
06-02-2014, 03:19 PM
Well, as I expected IOS 8 will leave my iPhone 4 behind. The added features would be nice but not vital for the way I use my phone. According to AT&T I could upgrade now. Think I am going to wait a bit though. It would not surprise me a bit if the iPhone 6 were announced sometime in the Fall.

cwa107
06-02-2014, 03:34 PM
I hope for Apple's sake, there's another announcement specific to hardware scheduled sometime in the very near future.

Chris H.
06-02-2014, 03:38 PM
Now that I'm seeing the preview of OS X on Apple's website - I can honestly say that OS X looks like pieces of paper neatly glued on. It's also very flat, yet still looks something of the 3D-CGI effect you see these days on TV and film. Or perhaps more or less like stop motion filmography. LOL

As for hardware compatibility - anyone find the list yet?

Slydude
06-02-2014, 03:52 PM
@CWA107

I wasn't exactly expecting a hardware announcement today. It was a real guess whether anything was coming or not. IIRC the last few summers they have saved hardware announcements till sometime in the Fall.

I didn't see a hardware requirement for Yosimite either. They may wait to announce that as it gets closer to the release date.

cwa107
06-02-2014, 04:17 PM
@CWA107

I wasn't exactly expecting a hardware announcement today. It was a real guess whether anything was coming or not. IIRC the last few summers they have saved hardware announcements till sometime in the Fall.



The blogosphere / analysts were though - and with a large screen iPhone being as overdue as it is (and I would argue, a new generation of serviceable Macs), this is going to cost them.

Their stock is already taking a hit.

vansmith
06-02-2014, 04:23 PM
Oh joy! As a registered developer, I get beta access to both Yosemite and iOS 8. I guess I know what I'll be playing with tonight.

I've been thinking about what iOS 8 will offer users and combined with the continuity features of Yosemite, I'm almost sold on an iPhone. I just need a larger screen.

cwa107
06-02-2014, 04:28 PM
Well, that was some interestingly myopic language around the position of Android in the mobile market. It's no surprise that they talked about how they're losing global market share. Then again, they did steal rich notifications from Android so it seems that the strategy is to malign that which they take from. Apple really needs to ease up on the ridiculous rhetoric around Android since, because Google stays pretty quiet, it really just makes Apple look insecure.

Ok, that's my iOS rant for the day.

To be fair though, Android has taken more than its share of cues from iOS (heck, most of the early UI design is an iOS derivative). Turnabout is fair play as far as I'm concerned.

dtravis7
06-02-2014, 04:31 PM
I can not wait for my Android Tablet to arrive! :D Grin

I agree completely with Chris but fear the Macs will get even less serviceable rather than more. I hope I am wrong.

The Larger screen iPhone though is pretty much a for sure I am told.

vansmith
06-02-2014, 04:52 PM
To be fair though, Android has taken more than its share of cues from iOS (heck, most of the early UI design is an iOS derivative). Turnabout is fair play as far as I'm concerned.Absolutely. Every platform steals from the other and what I said wasn't meant to suggest that Google is free from critique. If not Google, the OEMs who use and modify Android certainly steal things from Apple.

harryb2448
06-02-2014, 06:08 PM
New iMac!!!! Release date December 2014/January 2015?

chscag
06-02-2014, 09:06 PM
It looks like the hardware announcement (if any) is not going to come until later this year. Chris mentioned he would like to see a new line of "serviceable Macs" - I personally think other than the Mac Pro, new Macs are probably going to be non serviceable. Anyway, it sounds like iOS 8 and Yosemite are going to be exciting upgrades.

Lifeisabeach
06-02-2014, 11:53 PM
I'm wondering how many of the features that were supposedly "inspired" by Android over the years were actually available for iOS before Android via jailbreaking.

Anywho, I'm pretty tickled over a lot of the upcoming features, especially those that are LONG overdue! I really like iOS 7 and did almost immediately, although I thought I wouldn't at first thanks to all the naysayers telling me I shouldn't. For a major overhaul like that, they really did an amazing job in the little time they had once Tim Cook did some housecleaning, and it looks like iOS 8 is going to pay off big time now that they've had plenty of time to fine tune things and add those long overdue features. I've long felt some egos were holding the platform back for too long.

BanjoBuddy
06-06-2014, 03:14 PM
Slydude,
I can't feel sorry for you. My iPhone is a 3G, and my wife won't let me upgrade until it dies! However, it keeps marching along with all of its orginal functionality -- just not the latest "looks."
Best wishes for a short life for your 4S, BanjoBuddy

Slydude
06-06-2014, 03:58 PM
My first iPhone was a 3GS and my wife is still using hers. The volume switch died on it shortly after the 5 came out. I got the 4 for next to nothing. I am due for an upgrade.

I am betting there will be a 6 in the Fall or shortly thereafter. I am hoping I can convince the wife to take my phone and I upgrade to the 6. BTW "accidentally' dropping the phone, maybe into a bucket of water, might help things along. Assuming the wife doesn't find out. grin

chscag
06-06-2014, 07:29 PM
I am hoping I can convince the wife to take my phone and I upgrade to the 6. BTW "accidentally' dropping the phone, maybe into a bucket of water, might help things along. Assuming the wife doesn't find out. grin

LOL, my son called the other day telling me his daughter (my grand daughter) dropped her new iPhone 5 in the toilet. Fortunately it didn't get flushed but it sure killed it. Anyway, be innovative in the bathroom, who knows what kind of excuse you could give your wife! :P

dtravis7
06-06-2014, 08:28 PM
My first iPhone was also a 3G. It would still be working. I went shopping with a friend and had it in my jacket pocket. I got out of the car at home and it pushed out of the pocket when I was picking up my grocery bags! I got to the front door and realized it was not there. Walked back out front and a car drove up and parked and ran over the poor 3g! It cracked the display and the main board. Sad day but got my 3GS which still works fine which was quite an improvement at the time.

Moral of story, Zip that jacket Pocket! :D Grin

Sly, is there any chance your wife gets on the net and checks up on you? If so you might be careful with your plans where she might see them! :D Grin

Slydude
06-07-2014, 12:41 AM
@chscag Tried the bathroom trick once with a flip phone I had at the time. I was at Lambert Field in Saint Louis and went into the restroom on a layover between flights. Phone fell out of my shirt pocket, hit the rim of the toilet and hit the floor. The phone was fine except for a small crack where the top and bottom case met.

I was going to McGyver it together with a little tape but that was right after 9/11 when airport security was being tightened. Figured if I showed up with a cell phone taped together I might end up on the late news.

@Dennis She's heard that plan already and informed mw in no uncertain terms that it will not work. Sure I can think of something though.

urbanman2004
06-07-2014, 08:51 PM
Here's the link on youtube if anyone's interested: here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w87fOAG8fjk)

toMACsh
06-08-2014, 07:54 AM
What I really want though is what they introduced with SL and then removed (for some reason) - the ability to see minimized windows in Mission Control. I'd also like to see hardware improvements to the MBA. I'm thinking well into the future here but I want what the MBA offers (battery life and weight) but with better guts. So, I keep wanting better internals even though I'm years away from getting a new Mac.

Snow Leopard has Mission Control? I have Snow Leopard, I'm using Snow Leopard. There is no Mission Control, just Spaces and Expose.

Maybe that feature was in Lion? Or, if I have MC, it's hiding. I've seen it on my son's Mac, so I'd recognize it. The point of my post is to discover MC, if I truly have it.

Exodist
06-08-2014, 08:00 AM
I am kinda upset with apple on this new UI design. I hate the new look. Text boxes look like buttons, buttons look like text boxes, there are no contrasting edges on anything, all the colors look bland or over saturated in the wrong areas. Did apple switch up the UI design team? Don't get me wrong on the features side 10.10 is looking great, but if one can't use the user interface, all is null. Really hoping to see more on the dark interface option. Hoping that it is more promising.

Lifeisabeach
06-08-2014, 09:58 AM
Snow Leopard has Mission Control? I have Snow Leopard, I'm using Snow Leopard. There is no Mission Control, just Spaces and Expose.

Maybe that feature was in Lion? Or, if I have MC, it's hiding. I've seen it on my son's Mac, so I'd recognize it. The point of my post is to discover MC, if I truly have it.

Exposé and Spaces were merged to become Mission Control in Lion.