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Teardown of Retina MacBook Pro finds soldered RAM, proprietary SSD

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Teardown of Retina MacBook Pro finds soldered RAM, proprietary SSD

Apple's new Retina display MacBook Pro has been taken apart and examined from the inside, revealing that the RAM is soldered onto the logic board and cannot be upgraded, and that the proprietary solid-state drive memory was supplied by Samsung.
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Maybe I will just keep my current MacBook Pro. LOL, I like to be able to repair or upgrade when needed.
 
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They shouldn't even be allowed to call it a Pro anymore.

Apple, you should be ashamed. The ram soldered to the logic board? Really? WTH? According to the article, Apple has gone through every possible option to keep the user out of their laptops, right down to gluing the battery in place and making the case nearly impossible to open.
 
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Awesome. "This Changes Everything" :Confused:
 
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Yep, on my "skip it" list.
 

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Yep, on my "skip it" list.

I agree. A $2000 + non upgradeable machine? What was Apple thinking on this one? I guess we'll have to wait and see how many of them Apple sells. We might be surprised.
 

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Flash-back to the 2005-2006 timeframe when Apple first switched to Intel cpu's...I'm thinking a lot of folks were upset.

Flash-forward to 2012...with the new non-upgradeable MacBook Pro's. Give it 2-3 years...and many of us will own them (since that is all that will be available).

I'm no fan of the non-upgradeability either...but I'll just have to ease into it 3-5 years from now when I buy one of these 2012 MBP's used for $500 bucks!;)

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Retina screen = VERY interested!
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Soldered RAM = All interest LOST!
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Flash-back to the 2005-2006 timeframe when Apple first switched to Intel cpu's...I'm thinking a lot of folks were upset.

Flash-forward to 2012...with the new non-upgradeable MacBook Pro's. Give it 2-3 years...and many of us will own them (since that is all that will be available).

I'm no fan of the non-upgradeability either...but I'll just have to ease into it 3-5 years from now when I buy one of these 2012 MBP's used for $500 bucks!;)

- Nick

And then the battery/RAM/display croaks and no cheap fix.
 

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I now foresee a Mac Pro in my future.

To echo others . . . I'm not into $2,000 throw-away purchases.
 

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I now foresee a Mac Pro in my future.

To echo others . . . I'm not into $2,000 throw-away purchases.

Exactly.

They should have done exactly what I suggested way back when the rumors started rolling in about this slimmed-down, MBA-like MacBook Pro... maintain the existing MacBook Pro line and call it the 15" MacBook Air. They could have gotten the price down by putting the "Retina" display in the MacBook Pro and left the Air with a standard 1440x900 screen at a price starting at the top of the MBA line (I'm thinking something like $1200-1300).

At $1200, this thing would sell like hotcakes.

At $2100, it's firmly targeted at enthusiasts, many of whom will feel like those of us decrying the loss of upgradeable RAM, easily upgradeable SSD and semi-replaceable battery.
 

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And then the battery/RAM/display croaks and no cheap fix.

Yes...not pretty...but maybe a sign of things to come!:(

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The more I think about this, the more it seems like Maybe Apple is trying to merge the Refrigerator and Toaster after all.

Retina Screen. No upgradable RAM. No Upgradable Hard Drive. No Optical Drive. Virtually impossible for non-factory repair.

This is truly the very first time in more than 20 years of Mac use that I have been hit with the thought that if this trajectory continues I could actually be pushed away from an Apple computer as a future purchase. Fortunately my current MBP should keep me going for at least another three if they are determined to keep this course.

So now my big curiosity…is this a leftover Jobs move or is this total non-upgradability a brainchild of Cook?
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Yes...not pretty...but maybe a sign of things to come!:(

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And possibly the first nail in the Apple coffin for me...At least as far as portables go.


Never thought I'd have to say that... :(
 
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As upset as I was/am about this move, the more I think about it, the more certain things make sense in the grand scheme of things. Originally, I was upset about not being able to upgrade the RAM. My thought was, "hey.. if I want 16 gigs of RAM, I'd rather pay less for 4 gigs and upgrade it myself".

But it seems as though Apple has reduced their RAM pricing scheme in order to fit in with the rest of the crowd where competitive structures are concerned with similarly spec'd laptops. That's just one thing. Second thing is pretty obvious: You can't have the MacBook Pro being as thin as it is with the current architecture of the other MBP's. They wanted a radical change and they got one... this is part of the sacrifice.

Third: I was really upset with the thought of "so what happens when my Apple Care expires, and then soon after a memory module malfunctions?" I mean hey.. it can happen! Currently, replacing an MacBook Air logicboard is about $800-$850 and I can't imagine that it would be any cheaper with the new MBP layout.

BUT... then another thought had occured to me (technically I'm lying.. a buddy and I were ruminating upon this subject, credit goes to him mostly) and we figured that a likely conclusion to all of this is that by the time the 3 year warranty is up, SSD's, the RAM and other chips used in the current configuration should drop in price considerably, making the cost of repairing or replacing it easier to handle. I'm sure other factors are involved but IMHO a very possible scenario.

Fourth: Who is the retina display version aimed at? Think really hard about this question please! My initial response to this query was typical, coming from the same user base as many of you who like the flexibility options where upgradeability is concerned. But Apple is moving and shaking right now, and their entire user base is shifting as well.

This can go in a few directions, so I don't really have an answer per sé, but I'm sure we can use the current business model, pricing structure and new hardware to extrapolate a few suggestions.

As a photographer, you'd think I'd be interested in the retina display right? Well sure, it's gorgeous and I'd not mind having one, but.. is it the be all end all for editing? No! I'm doing absolutely great with my current MBP whether using its display or an external one. It really won't do much to change my output, ultimately. So long as what I see on screen is what comes out in print, I and many others are happy! The same goes for video editing I would assume.

Interestingly enough, the dumbest thing I can possibly say as to why I don't want the new retina version, is that I don't want to deal with another battery that can die. A battery that I have to worry about in terms of maintenance yada yada.. I want my next computer to be able to plug in to a wall and not have to worry about the burning heat generated by the power cells in a battery. I also want an all in one solution the next time around, but that's another story.

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Retina screen had me interested but soldered RAM no thanks. >_>" Glad I bought my MBP, and my MB still works.
 
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And possibly the first nail in the Apple coffin for me...At least as far as portables go.


Never thought I'd have to say that... :(

I have a feeling that when SSD's become a lot more affordable, we will see the demise of the current "other" line of MacBook Pro's. It seems doable to get rid of the MacBook Air line then, and completely merge the Air and Pro and simply call them the "New MacBook". I won't like this, but it seems a likely way to go if the new line with retina sells well enough. As RAM and SSD prices come down, so will the prices of the Air line and subsequently, production for new MacBooks can begin to ramp up. Speculation of course, but why not?

Now, here's where I draw the line: If they do the same things with the iMacs, I'm out. It's already a chore and a half to replace the HDD's in the iMac line, and they've made sure this is the case. But if they decide to make a thin, retina display iMac and exclude the other design option for user upgradeability, then I'm going to seriosly look into other options. A Mac Pro might be one of those options, but do I really want that sitting on my floor or on my desk? No, not at all.

I adore OS X to death, so I'll keep an open mind. Until then.....

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Retina screen had me interested but soldered RAM no thanks. >_>" Glad I bought my MBP, and my MB still works.

You do realize that you can get a 15" non retina display MBP with the regular unibody form factor, right?

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The lack of upgradability definitely killed any interest I might have had in the retina MacBook Pro, and it makes me question the viability of Apple portables as long-term investments. Since I really need to upgrade now, I ordered the non-retina MacBook Pro. I'll be looking at the direction Apple takes with great interest while I own this machine, since it very well may be the last Mac I buy if Apple decides to change the Macintosh from a line of reliable computers into a line of appliances designed to be replaced every few years.
 
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I'll be looking at the direction Apple takes with great interest while I own this machine, since it very well may be the last Mac I buy if Apple decides to change the Macintosh from a line of reliable computers into a line of appliances designed to be replaced every few years.


About how often have you been upgrading up until now? I'm with you, but I'm trying to be logical as well. I'm usually very stubborn and don't break my principles for anything, but if I think about how often I'd upgrade in general, 5 years sounds about right anyway. And I can't imagine the new line not being able to sustain its self for at least that long. Just sayin'. But we'll see!

Doug
 

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