Wow man that was an excellent post, you seem extremely knowledgable and someone id like to stay in contact with, i dont want to be annoying in anyway just looking for a push in the right direction and you seem to be the person to ask! Well i do have a goal and id like to invest much time, research, and money to make a successful iphone application, i live in new york, date a Jets cheerleader, and invest more time into my mac, xbox, and the gym more than her! Haha but with the purchase of my new "27 inch sandybridge iMac came my obsession, and my vision to put as much time, effort and energy to build a solid app and make it a personal project that i could be proud of and try publishing when im finished with it. So what im asking from you my new friend is to give me the best programs to use for building a solid app, now you telling me i DONT need XCode is a breathe of fresh air and great news, id be brand new to coding and im willing to learn but i would like to avoid it if possible and still able to make as great of an app without xcode and instead with an easier interface and more user friendly- please if you can give me your favorite app development tools aside from xcode, where i can get them, and if i could build an app with them to the same extent as i would with xcode. Also VANSMITH if theres a way to have friends on this forum please send me a friend request id like to stay in contact with someone as knowledgable as you i appreciate your time and help!