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Apple launch new HTML5 page on their website

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Yep, a fine demonstration of HTML5's capabilities (where is that sarcasm button?). There is no reason for me to get a message stating that I need to download Safari when Opera 10.54 and Chrome 5 are more than HTML5 capable.
 
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Yep, a fine demonstration of HTML5's capabilities (where is that sarcasm button?). There is no reason for me to get a message stating that I need to download Safari when Opera 10.54 and Chrome 5 are more than HTML5 capable.
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I read about this on another site. They are locking out everything but Safari which is not fair. I do get the highest score though for HTML5 compatibility with the Nightly build of WebKit.

The HTML5 test - How well does your browser support HTML5?

What is that new Opera beta getting on that test?
 
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102/160 which is a little disappointing to be honest but Chrome gets 142. I don't have a WebKit nightly handy but Safari 4.0.4 got 120. How does the recent nightly do?
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Safari 4.0.5= 113/160
FireFox 3.6.3= 101/160
Opera 10.5.3= 102/160
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Haha, does Safari 4.0.4 really score higher than 4.0.5? (I should update Safari but I guess this is what happens when you don't use a program).
 
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Safari 4.0.5 = 122
Webkit Nightly Build = 146
Opera 10.5.3 = 102
Firefox 3.6.3 = 101

That is what I am getting on my iMac G5 under 10.5.8. Will check the Intel Mac later and also report on Google Chrome.

Edit: Why with 4.0.5 am I getting 122? Does it every time.
 
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How are two different people getting two different numbers for Safari 4.0.5? Hmmm...

I just tested a few browsers here as part of my major browser test session (yes, I am a nerd) and this is what I got:

1. Safari 4.0.4 - 120
2. Chrome 5.0.375.55 - 142
3. Firefox 3.6.3plugin1 - 101
4. Opera 10.54 - 102
 
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Screen shots. Safari 4.0.5 under 10.5.8 and Webkit Nightly on same system.

I emptied the Cache in 4.0.5 and still get 122.

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I can't explain the discrepancies unless it was a typo on the8thark's end.

Well, here's another confusing bit: I got 144 on the latest WebKit nightly (just downloaded - June 5th build). Latest chromium nightly: 135. How is the Chromium nightly score lower than Chrome? Boggles the mind!
 
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Since I posted that Webkit score there has been a new nightly! Getting it now. I hope it's not gone down. Looking at your result it has! :D

And to make you scratch your head, notice my Webkit score it 2 higher than your latest WebKit build?

Edit: Van the plot thickens, just got the latest Webkit nightly and it's still doing 146. I have to fire up the Intel Mac and see if there is a difference from this Power PC G5.

On Intel Mac 10.6.3. Safari 4.0.5 gets 120 Vs 122 here. 144 in latest Webkit nightly. So differences are on the G5 Power Pc versions. My question is why do they do better?!! :D
 
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I got 113 out of 160 on Safari 4.0.5 on 10.6.3. What I found interesting was some of the features that the test claims aren't supported:
Audio
18/24
audio element Yes
MP3 codec support No
Ogg Vorbis codec support No
AAC codec support No
WAV codec support Yes
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No AAC support???? That just can't be right.
 
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Also no MP3 support?
I can play MP3 and AAC files in safari now. Something must be wrong there.
 
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Also no MP3 support?
I can play MP3 and AAC files in safari now. Something must be wrong there.
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The test probably refers to native sound support in the browser itself.

Safari, no doubt, relies on Quiktime for MP3 and AAC playback
 
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The test probably refers to native sound support in the browser itself.

Safari, no doubt, relies on Quiktime for MP3 and AAC playback
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That does seem to be the case. I switched the useragent in Firefox to Mobile Safari, and Apple's HTML 5 demo page will load but I get "Quicktime needed" with the video demo. A couple of the other demos work, but most generate various errors. I'm curious how Chrome would hold up since it has such a high compliance rating. Anyone know how to change the useragent in Chrome? I'm not having much luck finding info on that for the Mac version at least.
 
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That does seem to be the case. I switched the useragent in Firefox to Mobile Safari, and Apple's HTML 5 demo page will load but I get "Quicktime needed" with the video demo. A couple of the other demos work, but most generate various errors. I'm curious how Chrome would hold up since it has such a high compliance rating. Anyone know how to change the useragent in Chrome? I'm not having much luck finding info on that for the Mac version at least.
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I tried the latest version of Chrome on my Intel Mac with 10.6.3. It does VERY well. Only real competition on that HTML 5 test is the nightly builds of Webkit.
 
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Since I posted that Webkit score there has been a new nightly! Getting it now. I hope it's not gone down. Looking at your result it has! :D

And to make you scratch your head, notice my Webkit score it 2 higher than your latest WebKit build?

Edit: Van the plot thickens, just got the latest Webkit nightly and it's still doing 146. I have to fire up the Intel Mac and see if there is a difference from this Power PC G5.

On Intel Mac 10.6.3. Safari 4.0.5 gets 120 Vs 122 here. 144 in latest Webkit nightly. So differences are on the G5 Power Pc versions. My question is why do they do better?!! :D
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Wow, I didn't think the architecture would matter much in terms of HTML5 support. I had assumed (wrongly so apparently) that the support for HTML5 features would be uniform across builds.

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Anyone know how to change the useragent in Chrome? I'm not having much luck finding info on that for the Mac version at least.
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Try executing the following in a Terminal window:
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/Applications/Google\ Chrome.app/Contents/MacOS/Google\ Chrome --user-agent="Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_6_3; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.4+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.5 Safari/531.22.7"
If I go to useragentstring.com to test, it reports back as Safari 4.0.5. If I use that user agent string, I can load the Apple HTML5 demo in Chrome.

You can get a full list of user agent strings here if you want to fool around with them.

EDIT: After doing a quick search, it looks like there is a user agent switcher extension for Chrome here. Haven't tried it but it might do the job for quick switching.
 
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I've tested the demos on Chrome with a Safari user agent header and they seem to work fine so Apple was just being stupid by restricting the browsers.
 
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I've tested the demos on Chrome with a Safari user agent header and they seem to work fine so Apple was just being stupid by restricting the browsers.
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Since Chrome appears to be the only other browser that would have worked, and since Google is a direct competitor and even increasingly antagonistic towards Apple in the market, I'd say it would have been stupid of Apple to suggest using it. The point of the demo wasn't just to highlight the features of HTML 5, but to promote Safari as well.
 
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lifeisabeach said:
Since Chrome appears to be the only other browser that would have worked, and since Google is a direct competitor and even increasingly antagonistic towards Apple in the market, I'd say it would have been stupid of Apple to suggest using it. The point of the demo wasn't just to highlight the features of HTML 5, but to promote Safari as well.
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Yeah but if you're trying to propagate a new open standard its kinda counter intuitive to restrict access.
Actually, its asinine.
 

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