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fleurya
10-14-2008, 04:33 PM
Looks like the general public, or at least general investors, are not too happy with the new notebooks. Typically the stock goes up significantly the same day as a big announcement like this, but today is went down significantly.

Maybe people were hoping for a more affordable computer in a time of economic strain, but Apple didn't do anything to react to the economy, which will likely be this way for a while and cause sales of higher end systems like theirs to fall sharply. I'm sure Dell and others will be appy to get some of that market share Apple stole back when people go for bargain systems to save money.

chriswright101
10-14-2008, 04:51 PM
I wouldn't say that's the reaction at all.
It seems a lot of people, like myself, are very excited about these new aluminium MacBooks but were desperately hoping for something more affordable. Especially seeing as we're going through an economic crisis.
Granted, a few people aren't too keen on the new model, but that was the case with the iPhone and the original MacBook Pro. They certainly won over their critics.

Village Idiot
10-14-2008, 04:54 PM
I wouldn't say that's the reaction at all.
It seems a lot of people, like myself, are very excited about these new aluminium MacBooks but were desperately hoping for something more affordable. Especially seeing as we're going through an economic crisis.
Granted, a few people aren't too keen on the new model, but that was the case with the iPhone and the original MacBook Pro. They certainly won over their critics.

He's talking about Apple's investors and Apple stock.

zman2408
10-14-2008, 04:58 PM
I think the new MB's are gorgeous and I just bought my first apple ever Sept 25th... I bought a white 2.4 MB and I could care less that the new ones are out I am completely happy with mine... but I still think the new ones are beautiful.

jamieandhismac
10-14-2008, 05:34 PM
is it just me, or does the black and silver combination on the new MB remind you of the colour schemes on the Sony VAIO's?

budafied
10-14-2008, 07:15 PM
exactly....its like they took away the distinct look of an apple notebook

chriswright101
10-14-2008, 07:23 PM
I agree with the colours making them look dissimilar to the apple notebooks that we know and love, but I think Apple are aware of this.
I remember reading a few months ago that Apple were prepared to suffer a loss for a brief period of time with their 'future products'. I can guess we could infer that so great is their confidence in the new notebooks that they're going to absorb the brief spell of speculation, and then just wait for the orders to flood in.
My order will be on there for certain! Spent the past few hours thinking about it, and I'm completely drawn to the new models.

Dysfunction
10-14-2008, 07:46 PM
Looks to me like most things dropped today, including the DJIA and NASDAQ.

xj6jaguar1985
10-14-2008, 07:54 PM
Maybe people were hoping for a more affordable computer in a time of economic strain, but Apple didn't do anything to react to the economy, which will likely be this way for a while and cause sales of higher end systems like theirs to fall sharply. I'm sure Dell and others will be appy to get some of that market share Apple stole back when people go for bargain systems to save money.

Agreed wholeheartedly. I said this on another post and I'll say it in here: WE'RE GOING THROUGH AN ECONOMIC CRISIS. I have a White MacBook. Say I want to get a new White MacBook. They start at $1000?? Are you kidding me? I love the new look of the MacBook because it reminds me of the older powerbooks which I adore, so I don't have complaints there. But seriously, MAKE APPLE MORE AFFORDABLE TO THE MIDDLE CLASS. Most middle-class folk I talk to have PCs because they only paid $400 for them. Yes you could reply with "Well they won't last as long as a Mac." For crying out loud, if I was on a strict budget but needed a new computer, I CERTAINLY wouldn't spend $1000 on a MacBook when I could get one used for $550. And the new ones? No click-button? Yeah real smart. Most people have a hard enough time typing, and now you're going to have to incorporate some dexterity skill to point and click by tapping? Not smart. I feel quite disheartened with Apple, the same way they wanted a ridiculous amount of money for a freakin' 1.6GHz MacBook Air. They gaffed up big today and they had a stranglehold on the PC market, but this lets the PC back in the game. I could get two Dell Inspiron laptops for the cost of 1 new MacBook. I don't know, I always thought spending over $1000 on a laptop was ridiculous but I guess that's just me.

cwa107
10-14-2008, 08:40 PM
How does the old adage go? Buy on rumor, sell on news.

It's not unusual for Apple's stock to take a pounding after a new product release. Then, as the products start selling, the stock goes right up. Personally, I think a lot of the reason for this pounding was the rumor about the sub-$1000 notebook. If Apple competed in that segment, they'd be taking a heck of a lot more market share.

xj6jaguar1985
10-14-2008, 09:18 PM
They should've done something real creative like car dealerships do:
1. "Apple Loyalty" : If you have had an Apple for longer than 5 years, take a few hundred off.
2. "Trade in your PC for an Apple" : Depending on the notebook, trade in your PC and get an Apple laptop real cheap.

....Would've been genius.

lifeafter2am
10-14-2008, 09:27 PM
They should've done something real creative like car dealerships do:
1. "Apple Loyalty" : If you have had an Apple for longer than 5 years, take a few hundred off.
2. "Trade in your PC for an Apple" : Depending on the notebook, trade in your PC and get an Apple laptop real cheap.

....Would've been genius.

Why though? They are not hurting for sales. I was in the Apple store today, and there were a TON of people in there, they were selling left and right, and that was at 8pm. I guarantee that they will not have any problems selling the new MB's and MBP's.

KeithTeeple
10-14-2008, 09:35 PM
I like the idea of 5x better graphics, but they don't look like Apple Notebooks.

cwa107
10-14-2008, 10:04 PM
I like the idea of 5x better graphics, but they don't look like Apple Notebooks.

Correction... they don't look like Apple's current notebooks. But why should they? They use the same design language as the iPhone, iMac and the MacBook Air. They look completely at home in the context of the full line-up.

I think people just need to sleep on it. They're used to looking at designs that date back to the G4 iBook and Powerbook G4. They're different, they're supposed to be. Mark my words, the entire industry will be copying them in just a few months. Apple is always the trendsetter and these designs are no different.

lifeafter2am
10-14-2008, 10:11 PM
Correction... they don't look like Apple's current notebooks. But why should they? They use the same design language as the iPhone, iMac and the MacBook Air. They look completely at home in the context of the full line-up.

I think people just need to sleep on it. They're used to looking at designs that date back to the G4 iBook and Powerbook G4. They're different, they're supposed to be. Mark my words, the entire industry will be copying them in just a few months. Apple is always the trendsetter and these designs are no different.

I could not agree with this more!!!!!!!

dabears34
10-14-2008, 10:23 PM
I doubt a the specs of the new MB's had anything to do with the stocks falling. I mean really... we are in a recession and brand new computers are the last thing on most peoples minds. After the initial reaction i had to the new MB's I think they are a big step in a new direction.

Dimitri
10-14-2008, 10:56 PM
Seems with every release someone is out on a ledge lamenting about how Apple has turned it back on the masses. Then sales go through the roof and that theory through the window.

I seem to remember the stock dropping on other product announcement dates and it was no indication of its longer term success then, and I wouldn't expect it to be now either.

Ghostshadow
10-14-2008, 11:04 PM
I'm not going to get all in this thread.. BUT! The new glass trackpad DOES click. Ooooh BooYA, BUUUUuuuuuRN !!! Shoot! 1 Point to me.

Seriously though, no one is happy with what Apple brings. You can't please everyone, they try, but there are still those sticklers that aren't happy with anything. I think the new line is great. The economy has no impact on my buying decision on a computer, I'm sorry, but we are not that bad off yet. Things will improve once something gets done about it, wade it out, it's happened once before and it's happening again, it'll pass by and things will be normal again.

I do think think they could drop a couple hundred dollars off of some of the stuff, but they will come down in price as well, they always do. I say, if you want one THAT bad, buy the darn thing and pay it off, sell off what you have and buy it. Figure something out, just quit peeing your pants because Apple didn't grant your every wish.

This isn't directed toward anyone in particular, I'm just saying in general, people need to lighten up and give some slack, get what you want, if you want it that bad then get the thing, if you feel it costs too much, get the model it replaced, fair enough.

milessthomas
10-14-2008, 11:22 PM
I'm so angry, I'm keeping my mbp, its ludicrous that they took away the fw400 port. I have a an hd on fw800, and a audio equalizer that connects via fw400. I can't have both plugged in anymore?!

Glossy Display? I'll have to see it first, but I'm quite happy with matte.

Ghostshadow
10-14-2008, 11:28 PM
firewire 400 will work with the firewire 800 port.

jah
10-15-2008, 12:12 AM
i really want an eee-pc 901 but apple... well yawn... no, too heavy
time to drift away from apple just nothing new in the apple store i want.
just me tho

dtravis7
10-15-2008, 01:07 AM
firewire 400 will work with the firewire 800 port.

Remember, there is NO FIREWIRE port at all on the new Macbook. I love it except for that omission as it will affect me in a very large way and many others also. The MBP is fine with it's FW800 port.

Ghostshadow
10-15-2008, 04:08 AM
I was referring to the MBP. I assumed he was talking about the MBP since he has one already. They did take the Firewire 400 from the MBP as well and just left the FW800.

I agree, I don't understand why they took it completely out of the MB.

The only thing I can figure is they don't see joe schmo using it to it's potential. Most "joe schmoes" have no clue what Firewire is, allot of them think it's a funky shaped USB. Most of their periferials have USB, that's all they know. They don't buy products with Firewire, if the product has Firewire it'll most likely have USB as well, they just use the USB because that's what they know. I think it goes back to the iPod, Apple took the Firewire out of the iPod to appeal more to joe schmo consumer. At the time, firewire wasn't as common in PCs, but now you do see Firewire on most computers. They went in the USB direction because that's all that Mr. Schmo knew, so it appealed to a wider audience. Now it doesn't make much sense though. The only other thing I can think is they feel the new souped up MacBooks could steal thunder from the Pro models, so they took something out that would be a big selling point, this way it would detour everyone to the pro model.

Who knows, they might put Firewire back into it in the next revision, everyone has definitely been in a tissy about it Apple might realize it was silly to take it out. I could see where this could be at Apples benefit though, because now everyone will buy the MBP. Haha, unless they all buy the White MacBook.

dtravis7
10-15-2008, 04:34 AM
Agreed GS. They have to realize that some of us more demanding types are not rich and can not afford a Pro. I would if I could but the Macbook is all I could afford and need the FW port.

goobimama
10-15-2008, 06:53 AM
Correction... they don't look like Apple's current notebooks. But why should they? They use the same design language as the iPhone, iMac and the MacBook Air. They look completely at home in the context of the full line-up.

I think people just need to sleep on it. They're used to looking at designs that date back to the G4 iBook and Powerbook G4. They're different, they're supposed to be. Mark my words, the entire industry will be copying them in just a few months. Apple is always the trendsetter and these designs are no different.
Exactly! If they keep the design the same, it's an ageing design. If they change it, they don't look like Apples. I think the new ones look stunning in every way.

tkim
10-15-2008, 07:18 AM
Looks like the general public, or at least general investors, are not too happy with the new notebooks. Typically the stock goes up significantly the same day as a big announcement like this, but today is went down significantly.

Maybe people were hoping for a more affordable computer in a time of economic strain, but Apple didn't do anything to react to the economy, which will likely be this way for a while and cause sales of higher end systems like theirs to fall sharply. I'm sure Dell and others will be appy to get some of that market share Apple stole back when people go for bargain systems to save money.

That would probably be due to short shelling:

Short (finance) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_selling)

I'm really glad they didn't offer a cheap netbook/notebook. I think that's what seperates Apple from all the other companies. They don't NEED to cater to the middle class. If they offered a sub $800 notebook, it would be like the iphone all over again. I am so sick of seeing them, EVERYONE has one. Not to say it isn't cool or whatever, but doesn't it take some of the luster away when 90% of the people in the same room have the same exact phone? It may just be me though.

Apple has been successful thus far with the market they are trying to serve. I would imagine having more market share would increase cost and stress. Means less time for Apple to focus on the in's and out's of the hardware/software and more time spent fixing problems. I'd rather have them spend time creating new cool hardware and software, again that's just me.

Apple's have never been cheap and I think by offering a cheap laptop it would have gone against everything they stand for. I think that they know that regardless of what the economy looks like now, people will always buy Mac's. I think Job's stayed true to the Apple way.

mac57
10-15-2008, 02:22 PM
Personally, I am unhappy that they have dropped the silver metallic keys on the MBP. I think that they made the MBP look truly classy, a real standout appearance. I am glad that I have an earlier MBP. I don't like the black keys on the new one.

Dysfunction
10-15-2008, 02:31 PM
Personally, I am unhappy that they have dropped the silver metallic keys on the MBP. I think that they made the MBP look truly classy, a real standout appearance. I am glad that I have an earlier MBP. I don't like the black keys on the new one.
I am envious of the right side slot though ;)

milessthomas
10-15-2008, 09:21 PM
firewire 400 will work with the firewire 800 port.

Yes true, but I have a fw800 device and a fw400 device, I use both at the same time.

cwa107
10-15-2008, 09:58 PM
Yes true, but I have a fw800 device and a fw400 device, I use both at the same time.

Another idea might be to use an ExpressCard adapter to add an additional FW port. I know it sucks to have to add functionality that was at one time already there, but at least it's an option.

cwa107
10-15-2008, 09:58 PM
Personally, I am unhappy that they have dropped the silver metallic keys on the MBP. I think that they made the MBP look truly classy, a real standout appearance. I am glad that I have an earlier MBP. I don't like the black keys on the new one.

The downside, IMO is that the keys tend to look worn and dirty easier. At least with black keys, you're not going to notice that sort of thing as easily.

lifeafter2am
10-15-2008, 10:05 PM
The downside, IMO is that the keys tend to look worn and dirty easier. At least with black keys, you're not going to notice that sort of thing as easily.

Thats exactly what I was thinking. It is a PITA to clean the keys on my MBP, and it would be nice for them not to look so narly!

Dimitri
10-15-2008, 10:49 PM
The downside, IMO is that the keys tend to look worn and dirty easier. At least with black keys, you're not going to notice that sort of thing as easily.I can vouch for that. My white keyboards need cleaning much more often if I don't want them to look nasty.

milessthomas
11-03-2008, 11:23 PM
Another idea might be to use an ExpressCard adapter to add an additional FW port. I know it sucks to have to add functionality that was at one time already there, but at least it's an option.

Yea I just wish the functionality wouldn't have been taken away in the first place

dtravis7
11-04-2008, 12:03 AM
Yea I just wish the functionality wouldn't have been taken away in the first place


Agreed and especially on the Macbook. I would save for a new Macbook if it was not for the totally missing Firewire and no way to add it either.

XJ-linux
11-04-2008, 12:53 AM
Well, the lady at the local market said liked my wife's new MBP. Good enough for me.