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Apple to drop intel chips... Going to chips made by ...Apple

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Yes, it was a Bloomberg news item and also posted at MacRumors and Macworld. Lots of responses to the thread.

Some interesting responses and questions in those threads: (Not necessarily my opinion.)

1. Here we go again! History: Motorola -> PPC -> Intel -> Apple ???

2. If I can't run Windows on my Mac, I'll switch to buying a PC!

3. Developers nightmare

4. Transfer iOS apps to your Mac

5. And another 14 or 15 pages of comments. LOL.


It should be noted that Bloomberg who have been pretty much on the money as to what Apple does or doesn't do even admits that this is a prediction only and may not be the final path that Apple follows.
 
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My only issue with it is that I do need to run Windows for a business application that doesn't have a Mac even-near-equivalent. So if they go that way, I'll end up with an elcheapo Win machine and have to see about how to get my Parallels image over to it intact. Also can't use Win10, just Win7, so it will be an adventure. Maybe I'll just close the business if it's too much hassle. But if Apple plays it straight, they could let Parallels and VMWare work on a virtual environment where the Windows still sees X86 architecture, but it gets translated to whatever Apple uses. Will be much slower because of that extra translation, but could be made to work if Parallels and VMWare want to do it and Apple cooperates.

I don't want to run my iOS apps on my Mac, so the upside is zero. But they (Apple) will do whatever they want and then we all get to decide. I'm not getting lathered up about it at this point. 2020 is a looooong way off.
 
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Just thought another thing. Given that there are now eGPU capacity, they could go eCPU for those who want to run Windows, too. With the super high speed interfaces these days, that wouldn't be much of a stretch.
 

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2020 is a looooong way off.

If it does come about, there will be a transition period much the same when Apple switched from the PPC to Intel. The article (Bloomberg and Macworld) pointed out that Apple is already using its own home made chips in iOS devices, TouchBar MacBook Pro, and the new iMac Pro.
 
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I'm not getting lathered up about it at this point. 2020 is a looooong way off.


And you could possibly just use what you have now and use currently, and it works well for you. :Smirk:




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Great to see 1st quarter sales up!
 
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It would require Apple to make the drivers for their chips to work in winOS, would they want to do that, and if so, how long would they do that for?
 
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Well, when Apple moved to Intel, they had Rosetta that emulated the PPC chip for those who had legacy apps for that chipset. Assuming Intel licenses the emulation to them, Apple could support Rosetta2 for a couple of iterations of the OS. But who knows? All of this is speculation.
 
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Well, when Apple moved to Intel, they had Rosetta that emulated the PPC chip for those who had legacy apps for that chipset.


Actually it was with thanks to the Rosetta group that allowed many users to operate as we wanted and Apple only "leased" the Rosetta software and then decided not to pay for any further licensing starting with OS X Lion I believe. Rosetta was an optional install with Snow Leopard and an amazing piece of software it was. It just worked!!!

Somehow, I doubt if Apple would license such software again but they just may allow it to run. :[





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Apple has a lot of work to do with all of this. Back when they went to Intel and Jobs was still in charge, Apple was not in a position to provide its own chips. However, now Apple is as capable as any other chip manufacturer (with some exceptions) to develop and produce chipsets. Apple right now could easily power all of their portable Macs. They do have a problem with the big boys... iMac Pro and Mac Pro. Remember those machines are powered by Intel Xeon CPUs.

And don't expect Intel to license anything to Apple. If Apple leaves Intel, Intel will lose around 14% of their chip sales. Lots of speculation and only the future will provide answers. Hold on to your hats folks! Especially Sly and Jake. LOL. :p
 

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I wouldn't be so sure Intel wouldn't license to Apple. Which is better, losing 14% of sales and no licensing, or losing 14% of sales but getting back 4-5% in licensing?
 

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I wouldn't be so sure Intel wouldn't license to Apple.

Maybe, but remember that Apple is a cheapskate when it comes to licensing or paying for anything. I suspect Apple will want to completely divorce themselves from Intel. Anyway, time will tell.
 

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Maybe, but remember that Apple is a cheapskate when it comes to licensing or paying for anything. I suspect Apple will want to completely divorce themselves from Intel. Anyway, time will tell.


I was just about to reply to Jake's post with about your same comment Charlie.

I'm sure Intel would love to license some of their stuff to Apple, but it's Apple who's not willing to spend any of their precious monies on such a thing.




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They did once, to Rosetta.
 
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They did once, to Rosetta.


Yup, they sure did, but that was also during a time of some struggles, chip changes and a lot of other changes happening to maintain an existence and growth and they sure were closer to the bottom of the pile rather than close top of the pile as they are recently.

Things have changed — a lot!! ;D




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