Cellular Connections?

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Good point Nick.

Back in the day when personal hotspots were nonexistent / in limited use the cell call dongles might have been more useful but data plan costs made it impractical for most users. Add to that the fact that in those days one was forced to load the desktop version of most sites which used more data and was more cumbersome to use than their mobile-friendly counterparts today.
 

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To be very honest...with the way many folks have cellphone plans with unlimited data...and most phones able to be setup as cellular hotspots...to me it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for anyone top purchase an iPad with builtin cellular ability.

- First...almost everyone with a cellphone carry's it with them when outside the home (thus set it up as a hotspot for the iPad...if no WiFi connections nearby).
- Second...in many geographies there are lots of commercial hot spots (free wifi is available where you are...so no cellular connection necessary).
- Very likely you would need a 2nd cell plan for a cellular capable iPad (in addition to a cell plan for a person cellphone).
- An iPad with builtin cellular costs between $130-$150 more than a WiFi only iPad.

Of course there are some folks in some geographies where owning an iPad with builtin cellular may make more sense...and having an iPad with builtin cellular is more convenient. But to get that convenience (at least in the United States) you have to pay $130-$150 more upfront for the iPad...and then $50-$75 or more/month for the life of the iPad for a standalone cell plan for the iPad.

This gets kind of expensive when cellular connection for an iPad can be had for free...via a cellphone setup as a hotspot!:)

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This gets kind of expensive when cellular connection for an iPad can be had for free...via a cellphone setup as a hotspot!

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The part I really don't get, especially with Canadian cell suppliers, is why some stuff is allowed and charged at a certian rate and then other stuff may not even be allowed or if it is, it's charged out at a different and often much higher rate.

For example:
What I would like to get is a comparison of how much it costs to get your data for a mobile device. In this case, you can have three things: data (really they are all data), voice, and text messages. Typically, a service provider will charge you differently for these different things.
How Much Does Your Data Cost? | WIRED

The really goofy part to me is as the author says:
really they are all data

So why in h*ll can't my iPad use its SIM card to make and receive a voice call, that's coomposed of exactly the same stuffdigital DATA... that is sent and received over the air using cell towers???? And just like every cellphone can do???

So I guess I must be missing something pretty basic to not understand why it wouldn't or doesn't easily work.

I suspect money may have something to do with it somewhere along the line, and it's not just the cost of the Sim card plus some time or data amount.



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I don't have a Cell iPad, but I thought they *could* make calls??? There is not much reason for them not to, all you need is to transmit the dial sequence and then process audio to digital to radio
 
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It's a great theoretical question...

Which we have yet to answer. We don't really need to find an answer, I can easily live without one. But for the sake of theoretical inquiry, just saying, lots of good talk above, but no actual answer to the question.

Apple judged that some iPad users would want cellular connection within their device.

Apple judged laptop users would not want this feature.

Makes no sense.

Unless there is some technical issue which we've yet to uncover. For instance, maybe Apple is so focused on battery time in laptops that they didn't want to make room for the cellular hardware within a laptop, preferring to use that space for the battery.

But, somehow this wasn't an issue in the smaller iPad.

Again, makes no sense.
 
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Which we have yet to answer. We don't really need to find an answer, I can easily live without one. But for the sake of theoretical inquiry, just saying, lots of good talk above, but no actual answer to the question.

You can find some of the answers you need, but a lot might depend on what area you live in just by following some of Apple's links:
Set up cellular data service on your Wi-Fi + Cellular model iPad
Set up cellular data service on your Wi-Fi + Cellular model iPad - Apple Support
iPad - Cellular - Apple
iPad - View countries with supported LTE networks - Apple
etc... etc...

Still somewhat confusing and geting some apps to work as you want may leave a fair bit to be desired it seems.



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Which we have yet to answer. We don't really need to find an answer, I can easily live without one. But for the sake of theoretical inquiry, just saying, lots of good talk above, but no actual answer to the question.

Apple judged that some iPad users would want cellular connection within their device.
Apple also judged that some folks would NOT want cellular connections, so they provided an option. And those options sold well enough that they continued to offer them without cellular.

Apple judged laptop users would not want this feature.

Makes no sense.
Well, actually it does. The form-factor of a portable computer does not make for good phone calls, unless you want a video call. Just talking to a computer does not seem intuitive, at least to me. However, Apple provided the ability to do video calling with FaceTime and avoided the extra cost of putting cellular circuits in the portable and the added cost of the user having to have a separate cell line for your portable as well as your phone. For data they gave hotspot capability. So, you CAN make a call and use cellular data for connectivity, if you want, and they didn't force it on folks who don't want the capability and who would object to the extra cost by not buying it. Plus, they avoided the complexity of their supply chain have two variants of every configuration of the MBP/MBA. The lineup is already complex without doubling it.

Unless there is some technical issue which we've yet to uncover. For instance, maybe Apple is so focused on battery time in laptops that they didn't want to make room for the cellular hardware within a laptop, preferring to use that space for the battery.
Maybe, but I suspect the cost was more of a factor than battery space.

But, somehow this wasn't an issue in the smaller iPad.

Again, makes no sense.
It does, actually, as I've described. And the smaller iPad is closer to a phone than a laptop, both in size and form-factor. If you compare an iPad mini to a iPhone XS+, the difference is size is not that great. I'm not ever going to hold a laptop up to my head to make a voice call. It's enough to laugh at someone holding up a book sized iPad to make a voice call. About the only way to use an iPad/MBP/MBA as a phone is as a hands-free, or speakerphone, which is annoying to your neighbors and has the further annoyance of picking up all kinds of background noise. I used to ask anybody who called me on a speaker phone to call me when they could use a handset. I hate the background noise on speaker phones, even now.
 

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Which we have yet to answer. We don't really need to find an answer, I can easily live without one. But for the sake of theoretical inquiry, just saying, lots of good talk above, but no actual answer to the question.

Apple judged that some iPad users would want cellular connection within their device.

Apple judged laptop users would not want this feature.

Makes no sense.

Unless there is some technical issue which we've yet to uncover. For instance, maybe Apple is so focused on battery time in laptops that they didn't want to make room for the cellular hardware within a laptop, preferring to use that space for the battery.

But, somehow this wasn't an issue in the smaller iPad.

Again, makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense...you're simply choosing to ignore what's being presented in this discussion. There is no technical reason this can't be done...it a business decision made by Apple...based (at least in part) on customer feedback...and other things.

Apple (just like any other business) is in business to make money. And Apple is owned by stockholders that want a return on their investment. Making 100 different MacBook/MacBook Pro/MacBook Air models to satisfy EVERY users potential "feature wish list" is NOT what companies do (it's inefficient). They also don't make one single over-loaded model with EVERY feature possible so that everyone is satisfied...since this would make the cost of that single model sky-high!

The key is "model optimization". Making as few different models as possible...while at the same time satisfying as many users as possible.

If the majority of consumers don't need or want cellular capabilities in a laptop computer...then why include it...on top of the fact that it will probably make the price of a laptop $130-$150 more.

8-10 years ago it didn't make sense to include cellular capabilities in Apple laptop computers...and with every year that goes by...it makes less & less sense. In 2019 with many many people having cell phones (which can be used as a hot spot for a computer)...it makes almost no sense for an Apple computer to have cellular capability.

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It makes perfect sense...you're simply choosing to ignore what's being presented in this discussion.

Yes, because little of what is being said actually addresses the issue presented in the opening post.
That's ok, no problem, let's just drop it and move on. I don't really care enough about it to get in to the usual "here's why you're wrong" forum debate thing.
 
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Yes, because little of what is being said actually addresses the issue presented in the opening post.


OK, so some of the comments may have got a bit off line, but he's my direct answer to your original question:
Why can iPads make a cellular connection to the Net, but laptops can not?

Bottom line is, because the laptops in most companies circumstances, just aren't designed to do so directly, or without using some type of compatible accessory (that don't seem to be available or supported these days, or at least not in this N.A. country.
(It gets a bit confusing when the iPads etc, are included, but that wasn't really part of your original question that I included with part of my reply. Sorry foR that.)

My explanation would be something like it's like if you wanted to haul large logs or gravel etc. efficiently, you would would need to purchase a logging or gravel truck that's designed for those specific tasks. If you also needed to haul special fliuds like gasoline or liquid propane, you'd need a different specially designed thuck to do those jobs.

I hope that sort of answers your original question better. And yes, unlike my eldest son, I'd make a lousy teacher. :Smirk:


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@Felasco, basically, there is no issue. You asked a question, and you received the common sense answers. They just did not suit you.
 
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What is common sense about the idea that some iPad users would want to connect to the Net beyond wi-fi, but laptop users would not???

My sense is that none of us, certainly including me, know why Apple makes this assumption, but some male egos are getting attached to various speculations. We could, if you wish, simply admit that none of us know.
 
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It is up to the user to decide if they want cellular access to the web. It always was, they have the option to buy the service plan and the dongle. No reason for Apple, or any other manufacturer to include it with their other hardware.
 
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And I guess it seems the reason the laptops can't normally make cellular connections is the manufacturers didn't install or include the extra expense of the equipment needed.

To overcome that if you wanted, it seems there are additions you can add but was mentioned earlier and you can start with a search here:
can laptops make cellular connections
can laptops make cellular connections - Google Search

Some sites stand out with some useful information that you could check out using standalone/add-on device, such as dongles etc.:
How to Get 4G or 3G Internet Access on Your Laptop
How to Connect a 4G Cellular Dongle for Laptop PC to the Internet

So this answers the question that it may be possible to add cellular connection ability to a laptop, if any propriety softweare and everything else works.

So, yes it's possible, if that was part of your original question.

It does not appear from what I saw to nessarily be an easy Plug & Play proceedure though. :Smirk:



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@Felasco
What is common sense about the idea that some iPad users would want to connect to the Net beyond wi-fi, but laptop users would not???

Felasco, are you referring to ALL laptops or just specifically to the Apple variations??

And BTW: I don't think there is any Apple experienced member here that would dare suggest any logical reason that Apple would do something (now there's an oxymoron!!!) except possibly something related to money.

I'm also assiming you might be fairly new to the Apple/Mac world and not just to this forum.

And BTW, a belated welcome aboard to mac-forums.



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Most folks who own notebook computers and need to carry them for business or school would probably rely on available WiFi. With the exception of the newer MacBook (no longer being produced) most notebook computers are something I personally would not like to carry around just to have a cellular connection. And as has already been pointed out, almost everyone nowadays has smartphone which can be used as a hotspot.

Anyway... we've beaten this to death. If you really need your notebook to have cellular then buy a dongle or a portable hotspot.

Let's get on to more important subjects.
 
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Felasco, are you referring to ALL laptops or just specifically to the Apple variations??

I was just curious as to why Apple included cellular access in some iPads, but no laptops. Just curious, a little puzzle, that's all, nothing more.

I'm also assiming you might be fairly new to the Apple/Mac world and not just to this forum.

25 years, never used anything else.

And BTW, a belated welcome aboard to mac-forums.

Thank you very much sir!



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25 years, never used anything else.

Sorry Felasco, my mistake there and I broke my first rule — never assume nutt'n.

I was just curious as to why Apple included cellular access in some iPads, but no laptops. Just curious, a little puzzle, that's all, nothing more.
I find it a bit odd that they don't even mention that cellular access add-ons are actually available for their laptops, but no hint of them in their Apple Store, at least none that I could see.

And why is adding phone calling made so hard or ackward and seemingly restricted depending on where one lives with a cellular capable iPad???

It seems that Apple is increasing the size of some of their iPhones to approach the size of some iPads, so maybe they might just add the capapability as a "new feature" in the future, with no increase in user costs. Yeah right!!! Cough, choke... excuse me... :Smirk:




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Cellular Connection continued

For those who might want to know, here is Apple's article on cellular access. Instant Hotspot on your Mac - Apple Support

As for the other about adding phone to an iPad difficult, I suspect that is more related to the phone company than any design from Apple.
 
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Sorry Felasco, my mistake there and I broke my first rule — never assume nutt'n.

No worries. After all, even after 25 years there are a billion things I don't know about Macs, so I am indeed a nube on very many Mac subjects, as will be clear in many threads.
 

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