Trying to Avoid Paying $400 for an OWC SSD

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Good to see some responses on this thread. I bought the MBA 11" to miniaturize and be very mobile so I don't want to carry around many extra peripherals yet I already will be carrying 1 extra 1 TB external drive for CCC backups. I'm not looking to build anything as some said, I'm only looking to purchase the best possible and most compatible SSD for the MBA and it is not an OWC.

But from what I'm told, the MBA has its own controller (with no hard drive in it) so I guess the controller is on the motherboard, and an SSD has it's own controller built into its own PCB and if those 2 controllers aren't compatible with each other and don't handshake each other well then I won't be getting full 6 GB speeds but instead throttled-down half speeds of 3 GB or 1.5 GB.

So I'm asking which controllers are on Samsung, Crucial and Western Digital SSD's so I can make the right choice in my purchase. I don't want to choose an OWC for instance and use their terrible SandForce controller which gives me reduced 3 GB speeds and not the expected 6 GB speeds. I would like to use the full potential speed of the hard drive ofcourse, but this is only due to compatible controllers. I hope this made sense and we're on the same page.

Does anyone know the names of the controllers per aftermarket SSD so I can research their compatibility and speeds with the MBA?

You keep referring to Sandforce, but I don't think you really know much about what goes into these drives that you are looking at.

The OWC drive for your MBA is a Tier 1 MLC Sync-NAND drive running a Silicon Motion SM2246EN controller/processor. It's not Sandforce!!

The "oldschool" OWC Sandforce drives worked best on older SATA1/SATA2 Apple computers because it was best suited for the way OSX handled data at that time without TRIM. They were literally designed to work on Apple computers first. People stuck them in Windows computers and complained when the benefits didn't show. TRIM was not available at that time on Apple computers, so data loss prevention had to be handled by the SSD. This was due to the nature of SSDs and it being IMPOSSIBLE for an SSD to not have permanent block/data corruption over time. They all slowly get corrupted from constant data shuffling. The OWC drives have an allocated space to be used to replace corrupt blocks. Other SSDs from that time could not do this, and few to this day are capable of doing this due to the large proportion of SSDs reliance on TRIM to handle corruption.

I've had countless experiences with SSDs from many manufacturers. OWC is the first company I turn to for reliable data handling and consistent performance on an Apple computer- HANDS DOWN!. There will always be a tradeoff with SSDs. You can't get long term reliability without impacting performance. Speed, heat, and a change in voltage/current are killers for SSDs. That is why most "enterprise" SSDs have throttle management to enhance the life of an SSD, while "consumer" grade SSDs have nothing, and rely on TRIM or reserve storage bank to swap corrupted blocks with new ones.

There really aren't many players in the SSD world when you look under the skin of an SSD enclosure. Most are very similar architectures, with just tweaked operating parameters. Companies don't have great variances in cost. So if one SSD is cheaper, there is a reason. And I've learned that first hand. While you can experiment with adapters and what not to make a cheaper option work, in the end, you get what you paid for.
That OWC 1Tb blade is one of the best swap-in option for your MBA for long and consistent use. I would NEVER suggest running 1TB of SSD storage off of an adapter!! I'd only consider doing such a thing on a small drive that won't be handling much data.
 
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You keep referring to Sandforce, but I don't think you really know much about what goes into these drives



Thanks iggibar, some interesting info.





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well where were you last week iggi before I bought it lol I thought all OWC use the Sandforce controller, atleast this is what I'm told. Nonetheless I think my adapter idea with a carbon copy cloner backup to an external is the best, cost-effective approach to big sized 1TB, 2TB SSD's for most people whom can't afford nor want to drop buco-bucks on an OWC, but we'll see.
 
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Sorry bud, I haven't been very active on this forum, or other forums for that matter. Life, family, and work's been keeping me busy. However, I plan on changing that.

One thing to note, cloning a HDD to another HDD, or SSD to SSD is fine, but not HDD to SSD or SSD to HDD. This is due to how they sort data. The storage format of a platter drive is detrimental to SSD life and performance. So if you plan on cloning, clone a drive on to the same type of drive.

Have fun! Hope the adapter works!
 
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The storage format of a platter drive is detrimental to SSD life and performance.

May I ask you to elaborate, please? I am in no way challenging your authority.

But I would say this - I strongly suspect that the great majority of Mac users with an SSD (whether Notebook or Desktop and whether the SSD is HFS+ or APFS) back up their Mac's SSD, Time Machine or a Clone, on to a HDD.

Moreover, for the moment at least, Time Machine backups must be on a Drive formatted HFS+ irrespective of whether the Source Disk is HFS+ or APFS.

As External SSDs of a size suitable for a BU (1-2 TB or more) are very expensive relative to an equivalent HDD, many would find the cost prohibitive.

So, if you have the time, I'd be very grateful if you could expand on the dangers you mentioned.

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May I ask you to elaborate, please? I am in no way challenging your authority.



+1!!!

And maybe a suggestion of an approved, compatible method to get data from a HDD to an SSD would be helpful if such a thing it exists.

I'm no expert, but I've never read of such a thing before.





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I think he's talking about a lower level clone than we are. A block clone between HD and SSD is not practical (if possible), but a file clone is. File cloning is just copying files from one drive to another, resulting in a functional clone, not a physical clone. Block clones copy blocks of data literally from one location on the source drive to the exact same location on the destination drive and produces an exact physical copy. And that's why HD/SSD block clones don't work.
 

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Gosh, Jake, you always amaze me with these snippets of wisdom.

I may not be any wiser; but I am better informed:Blushing:

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Ian, I've been around a long time in the IT business, so like a snowball rolling downhill, I pick up stuff. Sometimes useful, mostly not.
 
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Sure thing, no problemo.
The top of HDD and SSD life is greatly researched! There's A LOT of research online.

To answer that question, there's a few things that one needs to look at and understand this topic: general lifespan of drives, voltage, and writing/reading formats.

Lifespan: Though there are some outliers, SSDs generally have a shorter lifespan when compared to a HD when both have been run normally. So, right off the bat, the the SSD is expected to have a worse life span. SSD life is a HEAVILY investigated issue for all drive manufacturers. You don't want to start off on the wrong foot.

Voltage: On a platter/disk drive, the disk is the part that stores the data, and it is a physical unit that does not have any electricity running through it. No matter how long you run it, the disk itself can't be damaged or corrupt until an outside force acts on it. The platter/disk itself(not the whole drive unit) is the most reliable aspect of any storage unit ever made because its solid and robust. On a solid state drive, there are "flash"(for simple terms) chips on a board that are used to store the data. The only way to access that data is to run electricity through it. Though there is promise of future carbon and other tech for storage, the current storage chips degrade the more electricity is run through them during write and read sessions. One way to get faster chips is to up the voltage and speed. The faster the SSD, the quicker it can wear out flash storage. This is where the MTF(Mean Time to Failure) figure comes from. It's is usually shown along with an average daily write/read rating that's usually around ~5Gbs of data per day. 5Gb might be a lot for some, but it can be nothing for some people like myself.

So, you're probably asking what does this have to do with the question?

Let's take a look at writing and reading formats.
It all has to do with how a platter/disk drive writes data compared to a solid state drive!

A platter/disk drive will write data in sequence as it comes. Only way to prevent this is by creating separate partitions, and handling files on your own. This method of writing data on a disk can be slow, especially when you have to overwrite data from a previous data locations because the arm has to move to the exact position of the stored data. Even though this system is slow, it is very reliable, with drives easily lasting over a decade.

With a solid state drive, the storage units of that drive are comprised of multiple flash chips, and each chip has multiple storage sectors. There's a pathway to go to each sector. For example, let's say your SSD has 4 flash chips, and each flash chip has 8 sectors in it. This means the SSD can choose to write data in 32 different sectors. With each sector comes a different pathway. So there will be 32 different pathways it needs to know when writing and reading data. The SSD automatically allocates where the data is written, and does so in order to maintain peak average performance speeds. Smart allocation of data is what leads to minimal voltage running through the chips. It can prioritize data and spread them across those 32 sectors. The more sectors to gb ratio you have on an SSD, the cheaper it will usually be because speed is the number 1 reason for an SSD to be expensive. It's the same analogy with ram sticks where an 8gb stick with 8x 1gb chips is more expensive than an 8gb stick with 16x 512mb chips. The 8x1 can have 32 sectors, while the 16x512 has 64 sectors to manage and will be slower.


By now, you probably should be able to put something together.

When you copy/clone an HDD on an SSD, you are forcing that data to be cloned in a writing sequence that is used by the HDD, and is not normal for an SSD. The data will be written randomly across sectors, and it will not be efficient. This will cause the SSD to "hunt" for data because it is literally scattered across the flash modules. This causes the chips to have spikes in voltage and a drastic increase in daily read/write uptime. That 5gb/day average can be very easily surpassed if data on an SSD is not efficiently handled from the beginning.
When cloning an SSD to HDD, you are cloning the storage sequence that makes an SSD quick, and forcing that onto a single(multiple disks is even worse!) disk that rotates. You are cloning a scattered plot of data and putting it in sequence on a disk while it is out of order. If you do this, you will notice your HDD always running at high RPMs, and jumping a lot because the data is not in the order designed for an HDD to run efficiently. Brown outs and arm movement issues are some of the common causes of disk failures. You want the arm to move as less as possible to prolong the HD's life.

That's why they say, if you are upgrading to an SSD from an HDD, do a fresh install. You just don't hear the reverse because no one goes from SSD to HDD :D

Theres some other stuff too, but I don't think they are as important.

I personally don't ever do clone copies of drives. I have run many backup drives, as seen below in my picture of my Powerbook project. If I have to move data from one drive to another, I will do it manually myself. Corrupting data from copying is SOOOOOOO easy to do, and every file I have is very important. If I do it myself, I at least feel a little better knowing I moved the files separately and they are being stored and handled individually by the new drive on its own.:
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I think he's talking about a lower level clone than we are. A block clone between HD and SSD is not practical (if possible),


That makes more sense Jake, and Mike Bombich of Carbon Copy Cloner used to have an article on the different methods and types of cloning that he may still have at his site that explained cloning, at least with HDDs.

Maybe with some of the new SSDs, they'll arrange the solid-state chips in a circular motion to mimic the circular tracks and blocks of a formatted HDD so it won't make any difference!!! ;D

;D Just joking here folks!!! ;D





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Hahahahahaa! That's hilarious :D
 
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Ian, I've been around a long time in the IT business, so like a snowball rolling downhill, I pick up stuff. Sometimes useful, mostly not.



I sure hope your snowball didn't go through the Bull's enclosure on the farm too often Jake and pick up some surplus stuff!!! :Evil:





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Patrick, there is so much stuff stick to that snowball that it's hard to see the snow anymore!
 

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Thank you IGGY for your very detailed response in post #30.

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You are cloning a scattered plot of data and putting it in sequence on a disk while it is out of order. If you do this, you will notice your HDD always running at high RPMs, and jumping a lot because the data is not in the order designed for an HDD.
Iggi, thanks for the discussion, but I don't think I really understand that quote. From my reading, drives spin at either 5400 or 7200 RPM, and unless there is a spin down to save power function, they spin at that constant speed. Now, I do agree that the way the data is stored on a spinner is different from the way it is in solid state, as the spinner data is stored sequentially as much as possible to reduce head movement and spin latency, but the actual speed of the spinning disk is fixed. What can significantly increase is the head movement when data gets fragmented, but that phenomenon can be attacked by the defrag programs available that puts the data back into contiguous areas to reduce the head travel. Latency is always going to be there, as the head still have to wait for the appropriate sector to spin around to them. That's one reason why 7200 drives are faster than 5400 drives, the data comes under the heads sooner and passes by to be read faster.

As far as trying a low level block clone from SSD to HD, or reverse, I'm not sure it's even possible to do. The addressing schemes between rotational and solid state storage are so different that it would simply not work. HDs talk about track and sector, whereas SSDs are cells. Not sure the two can even be mapped to make a low-level clone process work. I suppose it COULD be done, but there really is zero reason to do so (and plenty of reasons NOT to do so).

Are there drives that have variable rotation speeds commercially available?
 
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Patrick, there is so much stuff stick to that snowball that it's hard to see the snow anymore!



LOL!!! I guess you would have to call it COWmouflage!!!





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Iggi, thanks for the discussion, but I don't think I really understand that quote. From my reading, drives spin at either 5400 or 7200 RPM, and unless there is a spin down to save power function, they spin at that constant speed. Now, I do agree that the way the data is stored on a spinner is different from the way it is in solid state, as the spinner data is stored sequentially as much as possible to reduce head movement and spin latency, but the actual speed of the spinning disk is fixed. What can significantly increase is the head movement when data gets fragmented, but that phenomenon can be attacked by the defrag programs available that puts the data back into contiguous areas to reduce the head travel. Latency is always going to be there, as the head still have to wait for the appropriate sector to spin around to them. That's one reason why 7200 drives are faster than 5400 drives, the data comes under the heads sooner and passes by to be read faster.

As far as trying a low level block clone from SSD to HD, or reverse, I'm not sure it's even possible to do. The addressing schemes between rotational and solid state storage are so different that it would simply not work. HDs talk about track and sector, whereas SSDs are cells. Not sure the two can even be mapped to make a low-level clone process work. I suppose it COULD be done, but there really is zero reason to do so (and plenty of reasons NOT to do so).

Are there drives that have variable rotation speeds commercially available?

Like I mentioned in that comment, there are a lot of other factors as well, and there's been many publications from reputable tech journals that can explain it better than I can while being crunched for time at work.

Yea yes and no! LOL. I think we're getting into technicalities a little. The 5400 or 7200 rating is is simply a rating for peak RPM that the drive writes and reads data on. Most drives these days are designed to be efficient and prolong life by slowing down the spindle when data is not accessed. The slower the spindle speed, the slower the arm access time will be. Because of this, 7200 rpm drives have quicker access times, and usually have energy efficiency features that allow the spindle to spin down(spin down is a term that means for the rpms to come down to 0). One way some 5400 rpm drives try to recover from this delay in access time is to not fully spin down the spindle, but slow the spindle down to a lower speed. Imagine a drag race where a slow car is going up against a faster car and is allowed to do a rolling start before the faster car is allowed off the line. The first gen unibody macbook pros had issues where the 5400 rpm drives would cause weird vibrations on the unibody chassis when the hdd would slow down. Had this issue on my 15" that I still own. Very few drives run constantly. My WD Cloud has 2 RED drives in it and they are spinning 24/7. You want to avoid constant write/read of hard drives that aren't meant to be taxed a lot.
 
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well I'll be CCC cloning from the internal SSD (with adapter) to an external SSD (with adapter) but I'm glad that I've finally created a large thread that has legs :D
 
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So I've installed the WD SSD with the Sintech adapter and it works fine. The only problem that one will encounter with these SSD's attached to any of these adapters is that it raises the SSD off the adapter to create an overall thicker unit.

So you will notice that the belly pan of the MBA doesn't close as easily. I very carefully tried to create a slight divot or depression in the pan by hand to compensate for the SSD and to not have it press into the motherboard too much when the pan is fully screwed in and closed.

But the pressure isn't too much to be honest and you can fully close the bottom pan and save $260 instead of buying the OWC SSD with their crappy Sandforce controller with their throttled down 3GB speeds. Now if I can only get Snow Leopard to work on this 2011?
 

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