Geforce 8 and Quad Core...

wakerider017 · Sep 17, 2006

It seems like it is possible we could start seeing Quad Core Macs w/ Geforce 8 video by the years end!

Boy, wouldn't that be a nice x-mas present!

Either way, I fell it is almost certain these two fine products will be implemented into Macs in time for leopard!

Intels Quad Core:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/09/10/four_cores_on_the_rampage/

The Geforce 8 series:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_8_Series

(Not sure if this is the right section so please feel free to move it)

wakerider017 · Sep 17, 2006

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dohidied · Sep 18, 2006

The iMac just got the Core 2 Duo. I would be willing to bet large sums of money that they won't go quad core before Leopard.

wakerider017 · Sep 18, 2006

dohidied said:
The iMac just got the Core 2 Duo. I would be willing to bet large sums of money that they won't go quad core before Leopard.

Based off what info?

It would be kinda foolish to bet large sums of money with out knowing what you are talking about.... eh?

The iMac also just went Core Duo.... and just a few months later they went Core 2 Duo...

So I don't see your point here...

wakerider017 · Sep 19, 2006

bump.

surfwax95 · Sep 19, 2006

wakerider017 said:
Based off what info?

It would be kinda foolish to bet large sums of money with out knowing what you are talking about.... eh?

No one knows what they're talking about when it comes to future Apple products.

Everyone thought the MacBooks and MBPs would be Core2Duo by now, but are they? Nope.

wakerider017 said:
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wakerider017 said:
bump.

This isn't that interesting of a topic, no need to bump threads.

Marl Huss · Sep 19, 2006

I would doubt they will do it that soon, mainly because of costs and the fact they tend to keep products for at least 200 - 300 days before updating them. The GeForce 8 cards are not all that important, well they are for DX10 but thats besides the point, im sure Apple would be more likely to offer some high end 7000 series cards, as they do not need DX10.
The quad core CPUs are more likely to be in the MBP, then maybe move onto the iMac in a year or so...

Still I doubt it will be soon, especially as the rest of the Mac line is still waiting to be updated to the C2D...

wakerider017 · Sep 19, 2006

Marl Huss said:
I would doubt they will do it that soon, mainly because of costs and the fact they tend to keep products for at least 200 - 300 days before updating them. The GeForce 8 cards are not all that important, well they are for DX10 but thats besides the point, im sure Apple would be more likely to offer some high end 7000 series cards, as they do not need DX10.
The quad core CPUs are more likely to be in the MBP, then maybe move onto the iMac in a year or so...

Still I doubt it will be soon, especially as the rest of the Mac line is still waiting to be updated to the C2D...

No offense but I completely disagree...

200-300 days? that is just some bogus statistic... Apple does not have any 200 day rule....

Anyway, quad core is still a few months away... So maybey a 100-150 day rule would apply in this case?

GF8 are not important? ok.... Thats like saying GF7 was not an improvement of GF 6... It just doesn't make sense.

Dude, why would you think MBP would get the chip before the iMac? Seriosuly what makes you think that?

Do you know that the MBP is still using the core duo chip while then entire line of imacs is sporting the new core 2 duo....

What costs will there be as they will run in the same socket? Thats like saying the costs are too much to switch from core duo to core 2 duo.... Wuh?

I really think you need to do some research before you start flapping your mouth...

Everything you said was just complete speculation... With nothing to support your argument... At least I have sited reputable sources....

EDIT: This is a bad spot to post this b/c most people here already have an iMac and ready about quad core triggers "owner' regret" They don't want to believe something better is coming out than what they already bought...

Sorry... RANT OVER::

surfwax95 · Sep 19, 2006

wakerider017 said:
I really think you need to do some research before you start flapping your mouth...

Everything you said was just complete speculation... With nothing to support your argument... At least I have sited reputable sources....

I'm sorry, what reputable sources? (Wikipedia =/= Reputable) Are you "on the ins" with Steve Jobs? I'm pretty sure he and his cohorts are the only ones who know for sure...

wakerider017 · Sep 19, 2006

surfwax95 said:
I'm sorry, what reputable sources? (Wikipedia =/= Reputable) Are you "on the ins" with Steve Jobs? I'm pretty sure he and his cohorts are the only ones who know for sure...

what are you talking about?

I never said it was for sure, It is just foolish to say it definetly wont happen...

To bet money on something you have no idea about?

Intel quad core is coming and that is a FACT. GF8 is coming and that is a FACT.

They ESTIMATE these products will come out this winter...

When it will be implemented in Macs is not for sure....

But why would apple sit on thier *** while other companies like Dell and HP are utilizing Quad core?

They didn'y play games when C2D came out did they...

Edit: Tomsharware is not reputable? ok....

wakerider017 · Sep 19, 2006

surfwax95 said:
No one knows what they're talking about when it comes to future Apple products.

Everyone thought the MacBooks and MBPs would be Core2Duo by now, but are they? Nope.

This isn't that interesting of a topic, no need to bump threads.

Never said i know the future of macs... I do however know the future of Intel and Nvidia...

If this thread is not interesting enough for you then I suggest you post elsewhere

Marl Huss · Sep 19, 2006

My post was as full of fact as yours, I was simply giving my opinion as you gave yours. I believe they will move over to Quad Core but not straight away, the MBP is a Pro laptop so I would of imagined it would be ahead.

**Speculation warning**
Maybe they will jump the MBP straight to quad core

but probably not.
**end**

Anyway all im saying about the GeForce 8 is that its more likely to be in the Mac Pro initially and the other systems such as iMac would have very high end 7900 + cards, especially due to heat. I cannot see why Apple would NEED to put the GF8 cards into the iMac straght away, from all speculative reports they are hot and power hungry, fine for a Mac Pro but not in a iMac, I would imagine they would wait a while.

I think that hoping that they will add these items to the iMac in the short term is somewhat wishfull thinking from a potential buyer that does not want to commit for fear of 'the next big thing'. I would imagine that this update would not happen before march next year (if these chips were to come out quickly).

Anyway I still think that they will update the rest of the line (mac book, mini, mac book pro) before they start changing the iMac again. However a clock speed bump and some new GPU's might well happen at Mac World.

wakerider017 · Sep 19, 2006

Marl Huss said:
My post was as full of fact as yours, I was simply giving my opinion as you gave yours. I believe they will move over to Quad Core but not straight away, the MBP is a Pro laptop so I would of imagined it would be ahead.

**Speculation warning**
Maybe they will jump the MBP straight to quad core but probably not.
**end**

Anyway all im saying about the GeForce 8 is that its more likely to be in the Mac Pro initially and the other systems such as iMac would have very high end 7900 + cards, especially due to heat. I cannot see why Apple would NEED to put the GF8 cards into the iMac straght away, from all speculative reports they are hot and power hungry, fine for a Mac Pro but not in a iMac, I would imagine they would wait a while.

I think that hoping that they will add these items to the iMac in the short term is somewhat wishfull thinking from a potential buyer that does not want to commit for fear of 'the next big thing'. I would imagine that this update would not happen before march next year (if these chips were to come out quickly).

Anyway I still think that they will update the rest of the line (mac book, mini, mac book pro) before they start changing the iMac again. However a clock speed bump and some new GPU's might well happen at Mac World.

Know one really knows when or if apple will get GF8 cards... Apple is kinda funny about graphics cards... It makes sense that will will upgrade sooner or later....

As far as the quad core CPU my guess is that we will see these sooner than later... They should be coming out arounf the 1st of the year... And Leopard is slated for "spring"...

We will have to wait and see

PowerBookG4 · Sep 19, 2006

The iMac is a consumer level computer and always will be. People who buy the iMac do not need any special power. People who buy the macbook pro are always looking for the latest and greatest technology and also have powermacs and mac pros. This is because they need the technology, most of the time, due to their job or a very intense hobby. If somebody wants a quad core system, they are no going to be buying the iMac they are going to be buying the mac pro, and since the mac pro does not even have these quad core chips in them, they are certainly not coming to the imac any time soon. This is not to say that they won't, in the future, there will always be more cores, soon there will be 100 cores in the imac, but at the same time, the mac pro will have 200. The mac pro will always be far ahead of the iMac and because the mac pro does not have any of this technology in it yet, the imac will not be getting it any time soon.

wakerider017 · Sep 19, 2006

Dumbest post I have ever read ^

The quad core chips are not out yet so how could they be in a Mac Pro?
It is more than likely Apple will implement the quad chips into the imac soon after it's release... (This is exactly what they did with the dual core C2D)

People who buy iMacs do not need any special power? I did not know the iMacs were slow... And in the same sentence to say a MBP is for the pros...
Well ofr god's sake a MBP and iMac can be configured to have like the same exact specs!

Tommorrow low end technology is far better than yesterday's high end technology...

Some info:
Both the Mac Pro and the iMac have dual core 2 chips...

Sure the Mac Pro uses NICE woodcrest chips and has 2 of them....

But both systems still use dual core 2 chips though....

The MBP DOES NOT use dual 2 core chips... So why is the MBP more likey to get the quad core first?

The mac pro will always be far ahead of the iMac and because the mac pro does not have any of this technology in it yet, the imac will not be getting it any time soon.

I half way agree with that... Heck yah the Mac Pro is way faster...

But just b/c the Mac pro does not have it now, does not mean the imac will not have it for a long time...

For instance right now the mac pro and imac both have dual core chips... But the Mac pro is sporting (2) $700+ chips... That's the big difference!

PowerBookG4 · Sep 19, 2006

wakerider017 said:
The MBP DOES NOT use dual core chips... So why is the MBP more likey to get the quad core first?

This is an incorrect statement. Below is what about this mac looks like on my macbook pro

about this mac said:
Machine Name: MacBook Pro 17"
Machine Model: MacBookPro1,2
CPU Type: Intel Core Duo
Number Of Cores: 2
CPU Speed: 2.16 GHz
L2 Cache (shared): 2 MB
Memory: 2 GB
Bus Speed: 667 MHz
Boot ROM Version: MBP12.0061.B00
Serial Number: W863510FTJ1
SMC Version: 1.5f10
Sudden Motion Sensor:
State: Enabled

wakerider017 · Sep 19, 2006

PowerBookG4 said:
This is an incorrect statement. Below is what about this mac looks like on my macbook pro

I was typing fast and did not add the 2...

I had dual core

supposed to be dual core 2

You have found a typo... But this does not disprove my point...

The Imac and Mac Pro currently have nicer chips then the MBP... They are 64 bit and much faster.

I don't know why you think the MBP is faster than an iMac...

(don't get me wrong... the MBP is an AWESOME notebook!!!)

PowerBookG4 · Sep 19, 2006

I don't think it is currently faster then the iMac, it use to be faster then the iMac, the MBP will be getting an upgrade before the iMac does. The iMac currently has a 64 bit processor, and sooner or later the macbook pro will also have one. They are probably working on a way to get it in the macbook pro and not have to much of a heat or battery problem, but trust me, its coming.

SuB8HaVeN · Sep 19, 2006

Alrighty, where to begin???

The Macbook/Macbook Pro has not gone Core 2 Duo for most likely a simple reason. Apple decided to solder the processors directly onto the logic board on these laptops. Whether this was a good idea or not doesn't really matter. It doesn't allow for future upgrades, but Apple doesn't want people tearing their laptops apart. This also makes it easier for Apple to design and manufacture the logic boards. OK, Core 2 Duo (Merom mobile versions) is pin-compatible with Core Duo (Yonah), but you have to have a supporting chipset and logic board. At the moment the later Intel mobile chipsets support Core 2 Duo, but you most likely have to have a certain revision, etc, etc. Core 2 Duo also consumes the same amount of power as Core Duo. Bottom line is that Apple probably didn't design their laptops to support Core 2 Duo, whether on accident or not. As far as laptops go, Apple is probably waiting for the next mobile revision to the Core 2 family. The next mobile Core 2 Duo will support a faster frontside bus (800-1066MHz likely) and will also require a new family of supporting chipsets and may also require more power, requiring a rebuild of the Macbook/Pro. Intel has no plans for making quad-core mobile in the near future, and niether does AMD. To tell you the truth, the market doesn't need it. What they really need is an efficient CPU that is actually efficient, but I won't get into that because it's my pet peeve.

On to the iMac. As some of you have stated the iMac is not the top-dog here. Soon enough, Intel quad-core chips will be out, but this doesn't mean that Intel will cease selling Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Solo chips. Intel is going to have a product line from Core 2 Solo (single-core) up to Core 2 Quadro (quad-core) so they can appeal to every part of the market. Celeron will most likely be replaced by Core 2 Solo. Did I mention Netburst will finally be dead?!? iMac will probably continue to use the Core 2 Duo chips because it is not a max-performance PC. This is not to say that a Core 2 Duo iMac could be upgradeable to quad core, but it's likely that Apple won't put quad-core into the iMac until later down the road.

Mac Pro will probably be available in quad-core as soon as it is available. Remember also that Apple decided to use the LGA771 Xeon processors in its Mac Pro, and not the desktop LGA775 Core processors. Intel will release quad-core for the desktop LGA775 systems first, then for the server LGA771 systems later. This means Mac Pro will not be quad-core right off the bat, but as soon as the LGA771 quads are available, there is no reason Apple won't utilize these.

On topic of the GeForce8 graphics cards, Apple probably won't hop on that train right away. DirectX means nothing to UNIX/OSX. Just look at how long it's taken for the GeForce6 to make it into Apple towers. You also have to take into account that nVidia is going to have to work to produce its own Mac-compatible video cards. Not that Apple is at the mercy of nVidia, they are the ones that have the final say-so as to when stuff will be available and compatible. That's all that matters.

That reminds me;to use DX10 you have to install Windows Vista... <shutter>

neye:

Avid6eek · Sep 20, 2006

Intel's quad core (Kentsfield) is not a native quad core processor. It is nothing more than 2 Core 2 Duo dies on a single processor. While this is effective in giving you a quad core processor, it isn't good as far as power requirements. Intel's quad core parts that will be available early next year will draw twice the power of current parts. Because of this it will be too warm of a processor to go in the iMacs. The Mac Pro will be the only Apple product that should utilize quad core processors during the first half of next year. The Core 2 Duo will reign supreme in the iMac, MB, and MBP. The only changings will most likely be frequency increases.