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iPhone to Android - a Nightmare
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<blockquote data-quote="chas_m" data-source="post: 1421336"><p>I understand where you're coming from and we are probably more on the same page than I initially realised.</p><p></p><p>But yes, swipe to unlock is a patentable concept. By coincidence, Apple's patent on that was rendered invalid by a ruling from a UK court, but not because it was silly (as you seem to infer) but because prior art was shown that proved it wasn't Apple's original idea.</p><p></p><p>Apple (and other companies) that can show that their idea was an original one should be able to patent them (that is, after all, the idea behind patents in the first place).</p><p></p><p>Google didn't "supposedly" infringe -- they admitted to doing so. What saved them is that the court (rightly IMO) found that software APIs can't be copyrighted (not patented).</p><p></p><p>As for "all those patents Apple apparently infringed on that were owned by Motorola" -- no I don't, and I follow this stuff closely. Can you provide a link to what you are talking about there? I might be forgetting something (it's a lot to keep track of!) but I can't recall anything like that. Lots of Moto CHARGES of infringing but to the best of my knowledge, nothing proven.</p><p></p><p>You may be thinking of the ONE case in Germany where Apple was found to be infringing a Motorola patent on push e-mail. If so, you may not know that that case is not yet final and (IMO and those of some other observers) Motorola is likely to ultimately lose that, as it could be considered a standards-essential patent. The whole concept of whether FRAND patents belong in courtrooms at all is being re-examined. The ITC has re-opened another case on this very point recently.</p><p></p><p>If you're aware of a court case in which Apple was convicted of infringing on a non-FRAND patent other than that one, I'd sure like to know about that. Thanks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="chas_m, post: 1421336"] I understand where you're coming from and we are probably more on the same page than I initially realised. But yes, swipe to unlock is a patentable concept. By coincidence, Apple's patent on that was rendered invalid by a ruling from a UK court, but not because it was silly (as you seem to infer) but because prior art was shown that proved it wasn't Apple's original idea. Apple (and other companies) that can show that their idea was an original one should be able to patent them (that is, after all, the idea behind patents in the first place). Google didn't "supposedly" infringe -- they admitted to doing so. What saved them is that the court (rightly IMO) found that software APIs can't be copyrighted (not patented). As for "all those patents Apple apparently infringed on that were owned by Motorola" -- no I don't, and I follow this stuff closely. Can you provide a link to what you are talking about there? I might be forgetting something (it's a lot to keep track of!) but I can't recall anything like that. Lots of Moto CHARGES of infringing but to the best of my knowledge, nothing proven. You may be thinking of the ONE case in Germany where Apple was found to be infringing a Motorola patent on push e-mail. If so, you may not know that that case is not yet final and (IMO and those of some other observers) Motorola is likely to ultimately lose that, as it could be considered a standards-essential patent. The whole concept of whether FRAND patents belong in courtrooms at all is being re-examined. The ITC has re-opened another case on this very point recently. If you're aware of a court case in which Apple was convicted of infringing on a non-FRAND patent other than that one, I'd sure like to know about that. Thanks. [/QUOTE]
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