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iPhone to Android - a Nightmare
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<blockquote data-quote="chas_m" data-source="post: 1420638"><p>This may come as a shock to you, but most litigation does, in fact, have ultimate winners and losers. Your false presumption is that both companies are equally guilty in different areas, leading to roughly-equal mixed results. This is simply not the case.</p><p></p><p>Rather than post a lengthy explanation of why you're wrong, there's this:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/07/android-devices-have-already-been-found.html" target="_blank">FOSS Patents: Android devices have already been found to infringe 11 valid Apple and Microsoft patents</a></p><p></p><p>Bottom line: Android infringes on other companies' patents (not just Apple's, either). They copied line-for-line from Java (37 separate instances -- the fact that the court rules these aren't copyrightable doesn't mean they didn't plagerize. They did.)</p><p></p><p>Apple has, as far as I'm aware in the fight between itself and Android, not been shown to be infringing on ANY patents other than "standards-essential" patents, which (as the courts have been saying and will continue to say) you can't be guilty of infringing on.</p><p></p><p>Only a small part of these ongoing cases is about "hey you stole from us" (mostly MS and Apple saying that to Google, HTC, Motorola and Samsung). The "bigger picture" here is that Apple and MS (and previously Oracle) were in court saying "companies (any company) cannot use FRAND patents as a legal weapon."</p><p></p><p>On that front, Apple (and MS) are winning, and will continue to win until Google and Moto (et al) reform. I also expect Apple to continue winning injunctions and penalties against these companies (more Samsung than anyone else) for ripping off their software and hardware.</p><p></p><p>So ultimately, you're wrong. Unless up becomes down, Apple (and MS) are likely to win at least MOST of the cases if not all of them. Some will likely be settled, but on the principle I described (the abuse of standards-essential patents), Apple at least is going to go to the mat on that. FRAND either means something or it doesn't. Google and Moto in particular are in fact GUILTY of abusing FRAND patent licensing and are currently under investigation by the US FTC, the ITC and the EC on this point. I think that says something very important about these companies.</p><p></p><p>People who say patent litigation amounts to nothing simply haven't been paying attention.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="chas_m, post: 1420638"] This may come as a shock to you, but most litigation does, in fact, have ultimate winners and losers. Your false presumption is that both companies are equally guilty in different areas, leading to roughly-equal mixed results. This is simply not the case. Rather than post a lengthy explanation of why you're wrong, there's this: [url=http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/07/android-devices-have-already-been-found.html]FOSS Patents: Android devices have already been found to infringe 11 valid Apple and Microsoft patents[/url] Bottom line: Android infringes on other companies' patents (not just Apple's, either). They copied line-for-line from Java (37 separate instances -- the fact that the court rules these aren't copyrightable doesn't mean they didn't plagerize. They did.) Apple has, as far as I'm aware in the fight between itself and Android, not been shown to be infringing on ANY patents other than "standards-essential" patents, which (as the courts have been saying and will continue to say) you can't be guilty of infringing on. Only a small part of these ongoing cases is about "hey you stole from us" (mostly MS and Apple saying that to Google, HTC, Motorola and Samsung). The "bigger picture" here is that Apple and MS (and previously Oracle) were in court saying "companies (any company) cannot use FRAND patents as a legal weapon." On that front, Apple (and MS) are winning, and will continue to win until Google and Moto (et al) reform. I also expect Apple to continue winning injunctions and penalties against these companies (more Samsung than anyone else) for ripping off their software and hardware. So ultimately, you're wrong. Unless up becomes down, Apple (and MS) are likely to win at least MOST of the cases if not all of them. Some will likely be settled, but on the principle I described (the abuse of standards-essential patents), Apple at least is going to go to the mat on that. FRAND either means something or it doesn't. Google and Moto in particular are in fact GUILTY of abusing FRAND patent licensing and are currently under investigation by the US FTC, the ITC and the EC on this point. I think that says something very important about these companies. People who say patent litigation amounts to nothing simply haven't been paying attention. [/QUOTE]
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