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    Unable to empty trash
    Running 10.8.3 Mountain Lion on my Imac (1TB HD 12GB ram). I have 4 zero byte files in the trash that were originally deleted from a Seagate 2TB external hard drive (which is always connected but is not my dedicated Time Machine drive). I have tried every method I've found on the internet to empty them from the trash but nothing removes them. I also used my Windows laptop with the drive to try to remove them from .Trash but nothing happens when I click delete. The dialog box closes and they are still there. The only thing I have found is that the Mac system thinks they are in use and I have run many terminal commands to try to remedy that without success.

    Apparently this is an ongoing problem. Does anyone have any other suggestions or ideas?

    Thanks

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    Restart and try again. If anything IS using them that should free them up so you can delete them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cradom View Post
    Restart and try again. If anything IS using them that should free them up so you can delete them.
    I've tried that many times with no success...and I've tried a number of terminal commands to force delete also without success... :-(

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    Quote Originally Posted by blues2use View Post
    I've tried that many times with no success...and I've tried a number of terminal commands to force delete also without success... :-(
    Which ones? There might be variations on the ones you've tried that will work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vansmith View Post
    Which ones? There might be variations on the ones you've tried that will work.
    I've tried using the Option key, the Command key, Secure Delete, Onyx, and Cocktail as well as this and other variations of this command:

    sudo rm -ri ~/.Trash

    The terminal output for lsof for the files in question is:

    lsof /Volumes/Seagate2tb/.Trashes/501/Adobe /Volumes/Seagate2tb/.Trashes/501/MISC\ files\ Mint\ 13\ Desktop /Volumes/Seagate2tb/.Trashes/501/MISC\ files\ Ubuntu\ 1204\ from\ old\ Mint\ 13\ Desktop /Volumes/Seagate2tb/.Trashes/501/Notes\ and\ System\ Info

    The files absolutely will not delete and using Command-I they are shown as zero byte files and unlocked.

    I have also used Disk Utility to repair permissions and the drive where the files were originally stored...no effect...

    I'm completely baffled...

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    Those files are on an external. Do you have that plugged in when you try to remove them from the trash?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vansmith View Post
    Those files are on an external. Do you have that plugged in when you try to remove them from the trash?
    Yes it is plugged in to my Imac now and always has been other than when I shut down and tried to delete the files with Windows 7...to no avail...

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    Try sudo rm -rf That's a lowercase F. Causes it to try and force remove without errors no matter the permissions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cradom View Post
    Try sudo rm -rf That's a lowercase F. Causes it to try and force remove without errors no matter the permissions.
    No, it has no effect either...these files will not budge...

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    How is this drive formatted? FAT32, NTSF? Have you been able to delete ANY files on it?
    Also you might try this: Download Trash It! for Mac - Force-empty your trash can. MacUpdate.com!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cradom View Post
    How is this drive formatted? FAT32, NTSF? Have you been able to delete ANY files on it?
    Also you might try this: Download Trash It! for Mac - Force-empty your trash can. MacUpdate.com!
    It's NTFS and I have been able to read, write and delete files from it since I've had it attached to my Imac (nearly 8 months).

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    Macs can not write to NTFS drives without 3rd party drivers/software like Macfuse or Paragon.
    If you're running something like this make sure it's running and up to date.
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    OS X doesn't have native write support for NTFS so I imagine that you installed something. However, I doubt that this is causing the problem.

    So, the issue here seems to be that the rm commands you ran were on your personal Trash but the files that you listed aren't there which might explain why they didn't go away. If I'm not mistaken, you said that the files were at (please correct me if I'm wrong):

    /Volumes/Seagate2tb/.Trashes/501/Adobe /Volumes/Seagate2tb/.Trashes/501/MISC\ files\ Mint\ 13\ Desktop /Volumes/Seagate2tb/.Trashes/501/MISC\ files\ Ubuntu\ 1204\ from\ old\ Mint\ 13\ Desktop /Volumes/Seagate2tb/.Trashes/501/Notes\ and\ System\ Info

    Have you tried using rm to remove those?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cradom View Post
    Macs can not write to NTFS drives without 3rd party drivers/software like Macfuse or Paragon.
    If you're running something like this make sure it's running and up to date.
    I'm using Tuxera NTFS and it's up to date...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vansmith View Post
    OS X doesn't have native write support for NTFS so I imagine that you installed something. However, I doubt that this is causing the problem.

    So, the issue here seems to be that the rm commands you ran were on your personal Trash but the files that you listed aren't there which might explain why they didn't go away. If I'm not mistaken, you said that the files were at (please correct me if I'm wrong):

    /Volumes/Seagate2tb/.Trashes/501/Adobe /Volumes/Seagate2tb/.Trashes/501/MISC\ files\ Mint\ 13\ Desktop /Volumes/Seagate2tb/.Trashes/501/MISC\ files\ Ubuntu\ 1204\ from\ old\ Mint\ 13\ Desktop /Volumes/Seagate2tb/.Trashes/501/Notes\ and\ System\ Info

    Have you tried using rm to remove those?
    Yes, I have tried that with no effect...thanks...terminal out indicates that these are directories...either way, I can't seem to delete them...

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