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Attention Bootcampers: dump Windows or buy Leopard

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http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306583

I guess I just never came to the conclusion that when Leopard comes out, Bootcamp will no longer be in beta and Apple will actually want some compensation for it. I suppose anyone using Windows will have to either kick the habit (if you don't have to use it for some kind of requirement) or pony up the dough for the upgrade.

I just thought I'd pass this along in case anyone else was like me and didn't realize their Bootcamp will expire with Leopard release. I wasn't sure if I would upgrade, but since I have to use some Windows apps, I'm now sure.
 
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Well technically it will still work, if I'm reading the wording right:

The license to use Boot Camp Beta expires when Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard is available to the public. To continue using Boot Camp at that time, upgrade to Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard.
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So the license expires but I'm assuming not the functionality, otherwise a lot of people will be ticked off (not that that would add to Apple's recently stunts lol). Anywho, grab WinClone and have at it:

http://www.twocanoes.com/winclone/
 
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Yeah it sounds like to me that you either have to buy leopard which it's included with or the license will expire for the beta version. I myself am leopard but on the other hand I don't use windows other than at work so I don't really need bootcamp. So I guess the only ones out of luck are the people not upgrading to leopard.
 
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so basically when leopard comes out i cant use bootcamp.

?

thanks apple - not
 
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No, you'll still be able to use it. They won't lock thousands of people out of their computers.

But you'll be stuck with what you have ie. a beta version and I doubt you'll get any driver updates unless you get the final version with Leopard.
 
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When your Bootcamp beta dies - as mine has - the only thing that ceases to function is the Bootcamp Assistant.app - your Windows Bootcamp partition is still there and fully functional.

Nice find on that app kaidomac.
 
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so much misinformation...
 
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christm said:
so basically when leopard comes out i cant use bootcamp.

?

thanks apple - not
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That's the nature of beta software - and BootCamp specified it's time-limited nature on the very first screen I saw when using it. I assume you read that...?
 
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spiccy said:
so much misinformation...
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Well, then I guess I'm confused. If there's so much misinformation, can you provide the real information?

All I know is, I will need to use Windows, and I will want to get updates if necessary, so I guess I'll need Leopard.
 
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This has been clear from the beginning. Bootcamp beta will expire when Leopard is released. I never even used Bootcamp and knew that. C'mon.
 
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How will bootcamp expire. Will it just not work on a certain date or what? I'm really interested on how this expiration will occur.
 
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Your Windows partition will not change in any way.

The way you use Windows will not change in any way.

The way you use OSX will not change in any way.

You will no longer be able to access your BootCamp Assistant while in OSX, or you may be able to access and have some of the features limited.

But seriously, after you have Windows installed, who uses that anyway? To update to the latest version of BootCamp? If you can't live without the latest and greatest BootCamp, then living with 10.4 would be even more painful.

This will not changes anyone's BootCamp lives in any way imaginable.
 
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spiccy said:
Your Windows partition will not change in any way.

The way you use Windows will not change in any way.

The way you use OSX will not change in any way.

You will no longer be able to access your BootCamp Assistant while in OSX, or you may be able to access and have some of the features limited.

But seriously, after you have Windows installed, who uses that anyway? To update to the latest version of BootCamp? If you can't live without the latest and greatest BootCamp, then living with 10.4 would be even more painful.

This will not changes anyone's BootCamp lives in any way imaginable.
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You can knock your system time back while you start up the boot camp assistant in OS X to partition your hard drive and burn your windows xp driver cd then switch it back and all will be good.

I tested this last year when I first got boot camp and heard it will expire.
 
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spiccy said:
This will not changes anyone's BootCamp lives in any way imaginable.
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How can you be so sure?

I spoke to someone at Apple support about this issue. Unfortunately, she wasn't much help. She couldn't tell me how the license expiration of beta would affect actual use (access, updates, etc) but she did say that basically if you're accessing Windows on your Mac via Bootcamp after the expiration, you're basically violating the EULA. So, you may be able to get away with it, but running Windows on your Mac this way is akin to running any other Apple software without purchase/permission; not kosher.
 
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Because if you boot into Windows, your computer doesn't even know if you have Boot Camp installed, it's just a second partition.

Taken from MacNN on previous expirations of Boot Camp - "The document notes that the license to use Boot Camp Beta 1.2 or earlier expires on September 30, 2007 and that the Boot Camp Assistant Beta will no longer open after expiration."

Windows works, Boot Camp Assistant doesn't.
 
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spiccy said:
Because if you boot into Windows, your computer doesn't even know if you have Boot Camp installed, it's just a second partition.

Taken from MacNN on previous expirations of Boot Camp - "The document notes that the license to use Boot Camp Beta 1.2 or earlier expires on September 30, 2007 and that the Boot Camp Assistant Beta will no longer open after expiration."

Windows works, Boot Camp Assistant doesn't.
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Agreed with both your posts. Only issue will be if something really goes wrong with the Windows partition or say your Hard Drive died. Then you could not run the beta of Bootcamp.app to reinstall it all. That would be a good time to get Leopard in my opinion. Otherwise, Windows will continue to function like it does now. Just no bootcamp.app.
 
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It's about time that Apple did this, no one actually really really needs Windows.

Most things run on Mac OS X, and if you have to use the inferior then buy Paraells.

I had the same problem when I switched to Linux, I didn't keep Windows. I jumped in and switched.

Give me a reason why anyone would NEED Windoze?
 
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MBNick said:
It's about time that Apple did this, no one actually really really needs Windows.

Most things run on Mac OS X, and if you have to use the inferior then buy Paraells.

I had the same problem when I switched to Linux, I didn't keep Windows. I jumped in and switched.

Give me a reason why anyone would NEED Windoze?
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Here's a reason:

I'm a student and some of my classes require work to be done on Windows-only apps. If you've got a way to run .exe's on Mac OS X, I'd love to see it!
 
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Here's a reason:

I'm a student and some of my classes require work to be done on Windows-only apps. If you've got a way to run .exe's on Mac OS X, I'd love to see it!
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Well, as long as they are not some demanding 3d game, Parallels should work GREAT. There is also Crossover and others that do not even require Windows to run at least some windows apps. I understand your need by the way, Completely in fact, but 99% can be done without Bootcamp installed Windows. If you upgrade to Leopard do remember that Bootcamp will be there and you would be back to normal.

I really do not run Windows on my Macs as I have PC's for that purpose being a PC Computer/Network tech, but if I did I would much prefer Parallels for anything I would be doing as I could still be in OSX and Windows at the same time. More productive to me at least! :D
 
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spiccy said:
Because if you boot into Windows, your computer doesn't even know if you have Boot Camp installed, it's just a second partition.
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You fail to take into account the process in which you get INTO that second partition. Boot Camp isn't just the partitioning utility, it is also the bootloader. So there's a very distinct possibility that once Boot Camp expires, the bootloader could disable your ability to get into Windows.

Also, I believe Boot Camp isn't set to expire till the end of the year. When Leopard was delayed from June to October, Boot Camp wasn't going to expire till September. So I'm guessing people will have until December to continue using Boot Camp. It could be in the EULA, but I haven't looked through that, so perhaps somebody else could shed more light on this.
 

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