Anyone feel there's something wrong with WW2 games?

no those things you said are terrible, too. I just didn't think of them... I just think that by these game companies producing these games they are sending the wrong message, and its not just to children, its to venerable adults too. What if in 500 years this is all they have of our history video games? And who do you expect to change these things that are wrong, i don't think the companies are, they are making money. I think it is my job to speak out when something is wrong, and try to correct it, especially in something such as this.

Ok, it's fine that you feel that way. That being said, I feel it is my right to disagree with you.

Censorship, and that is what you are advocating here, is a bad thing in nearly any form. Telling responsible, taxpaying citizens what they can or can not see simply because you or someone else doesn't like it is just plain wrong. Again, I can agree that from a moral standpoint it's not a good thing, but I'm not going to try to push my morals on others here. You think I shouldn't be able to buy a little piece of Crystal with a laser etched image of the WTC that says "In memorandum 9-11-2001"?

As for History, we have even less evidence of what happened 500 years ago than the folks 500 years from now will have on us. Yet we do a pretty good job of piecing together what happened and how things worked, who's around to correct us? Do you think archeologists are just going to rely on some Video game CD/DVDs to understand the 20th and 21st centuries?

As you used the word censorship, i see that you think that is what i'm implying. I do not want censorship, people should be able to speak and say and do whatever they would like (within certain bounderies, murder rape etc...) and the system that allows this is the United States Government, and our great respect for individuality and freedom. However i think that this system deserves respect, and making video games depicting innocent people being killed is not showing respect to that system. We are taking this government for granted, whereas in some countries (i think china bans a lot of video games, and wasn't there some word recently on some other country banned fps?) people have no rights whatsoever.


look at this list of banned video games, the only one banned in america is one that depicts underage nudity...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_computer_and_video_games#United_States

If games about WW2 hurt your feelings, don't play them.

I love them, and will keep giving my money to the people that make them.

.. and if they made a game about the current war in Iraq, or something about 911, I'd surely give it a shot. If it was a good game, I'd play the **** out of it. Period.

It's a GAME for Christ's sake.

You may not think that you are advocating censorship, but you are.

So why, after giving that example and the link, would you be for banning a video game about the WTC or some-other violent situations? Do you agree with the Chinese? I agree with you exceptions (Murder, rape, kiddy porn etc). Respect for our individuality and freedom would be something along the lines of "I don't like it, but I don't think it should be censored". Respecting that system by censoring what those in it can see or hear (with in the bounds mentioned above) is not respect, but just the opposite.

spiccy said:

If games about WW2 hurt your feelings, don't play them.

I love them, and will keep giving my money to the people that make them.

.. and if they made a game about the current war in Iraq, or something about 911, I'd surely give it a shot. If it was a good game, I'd play the **** out of it. Period.

It's a GAME for Christ's sake.

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I agree 100%, I love WWII games and play them a lot. I also play games that deal with current situations like Iraq, and they are just as fun.

I think if anything, kids are actually learning about how frightening war is and are getting some perspective on the actual history of it as well.

Remember - the games are designed for kids 16 and up. At that age you're old enough to realize that the events you're re-creating actually happened and how horrific they were.

At least they don't glorify war as some current governments tend to.

i never said they should not be allowed to do, however i think they that should not do it, and that someone should advocate for that.

You're kind of getting off on a tangent this post wasn't meant to be for. It wasn't intended to advocate censorship of these games, it was just as "what do think think about this view" post.

Video games (and the money making they bring) are no better or worse than movies, TV shows, toys, etc. It is human nature to make light of tragic events or to use them as a source of inspiration for the next generation of toys. The more recent the history the more shocking it seems, but I don't, for example, see anybody calling for the removal of figures of knights from the Crusades from the shelves. The argument is that they are part of history, but how does that differentiate them from WWII?

Interestingly, our company recently gained a German branch, and there was an uproar that we have an internal discussion board discussing Wolfenstein ET (the game is illegal there). The consensus, in the end, was that if you don't like it, don't look.

fleurya said:

You're kind of getting off on a tangent this post wasn't meant to be for. It wasn't intended to advocate censorship of these games, it was just as "what do think think about this view" post.

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Perhaps, but I think you at least now thoroughly know where macAttack and I stand on this. You can't really control where a thread goes once it's out in the wild, at least not without direct staff intervention.

There are games based on every major conflict in history. From the Crusades to the Gulf War. Although I am not a gamer, I am sure each of them are very compelling to play. I don't know why WWII games would be any different than a Gulf War or Vietnam War based game.

The real issue is one of parenting and why someone would let their immature child play games depicting war and violence. Please don't blame the game for destroying a child. If I gave my 10-year old the keys to the car, I think he'd probably hurt himself. I wouldn't blame him or the car though.

I think your "Tip the Towers" analogy falls a little short as well. This game may be compelling to some groups but I highly doubt it would be a hit among American gamers.

Peoples sensitivity seems to fade with time. Perhaps for you, not enough time has passed since WWII. I myself have the greatest respect for ALL veterans and the wars and causes they fought for. I also have no problems with games depicting the same.

Just one persons opinion but after coming back from Vietnam the last thing I wanted to do was kill someone - for real or pretend. My grandson is very into these type of games (not just WWII) and I am concerned about the attitude he is developing. War is not fun - it is painful, it hurts, it scars you and there is no movie music playing in the background. I grew up playing cowboys such and it didn't hurt me but I still worry about so much time being spent on killing people. We have the potential of becoming what we think. Having said that - I am not sure the government should get involved in banning - I think that is a parents role.

What disturbs me is that we live in a society where the gratuitous killing and butchering of people in Grand Theft Auto barely raises an eybrow, but as soon as some pixelated nipples or pubic hair is shown on a hacked version, all **** lets lose.

This insane morality is prevelant on US TV as well, where mainstream channels will happily show blood and guts on a Saturday morning (John Carpenter Presents Vampires on Sci-Fi two days ago) and yet a sensual film like The Secretary, shown at 11:00pm at night feels the need to blur out nipples right at the end of the film, presumably so as not to offend anyone. What kind of a sick mind is offended by a woman's breast but not by seeing someone's throat get ripped out and smeared all over a wall?

I don't understand it...

I'm surprised no one had mentioned or said anything about Wolfenstein 3D/RtCW...

spiccy said:

If games about WW2 hurt your feelings, don't play them.

I love them, and will keep giving my money to the people that make them.

.. and if they made a game about the current war in Iraq, or something about 911, I'd surely give it a shot. If it was a good game, I'd play the **** out of it. Period.

It's a GAME for Christ's sake.

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Actually, they do. One company takes current event conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan and translates them into gameplay. The company escapes me at the moment but they're out there. I think they appeared on the Colbert Report, idk.

punkr0x0r said:

I'm surprised no one had mentioned or said anything about Wolfenstein 3D/RtCW...

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I wonder what kind of reception a game depicting a lone Islamic nationalist taking on the evil empirical forces of the US would be, especially if in the end you get to battle mano y mano with the evil George Bush himself! It worked for Wolfenstein. Maybe not a big hit in the US.

deus_ex_machina said:

I wonder what kind of reception a game depicting a lone Islamic nationalist taking on the evil empirical forces of the US would be, especially if in the end you get to battle mano y mano with the evil George Bush himself! It worked for Wolfenstein. Maybe not a big hit in the US.

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That's a guaranteed hit in the US, are you kidding?

I'd play that in a heartbeat!!

Great! I'd put a good word in with Rockstar Games, I'm sure it's right up their alley! Maybe not a ban in the US, we're not as uptight as the Germans.

Edit: found a screenshot, but keep it on the dl. Mac-Forums exclusive!!!