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Any recommendation please? My Lacie Time Machine has failed and I'm looking to replace it. My machine is 7 y/o if that's relevant.
 
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Any recommendation please? My Lacie Time Machine has failed and I'm looking to replace it. My machine is 7 y/o if that's relevant.

Let's see...a 7 year old MBP 15-inch has USB 2.0 and Firewire 800 ports, the latter being somewhat preferable as a hard drive interface.

For external hard drives I usually recommend the Other World Computing Mercury Elite Pro, if you want a fairly reliable hard drive at a decent price:

http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/1394/USB/EliteAL/eSATA_FW800_FW400_USB

If you want the most reliable external hard drive on the market at a not insane price, I recommend the somewhat more expensive Glyph Studio drive:

Glyph
http://www.glyphtech.com/
https://www.glyphtech.com/product/studio

Amazon offers them at a good discount:
http://is.gd/6rLM1d

Another source:
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/manufacturer/Glyph

Both the OWC and the Glyph drives come with Firewire 800 interfaces.
 
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So useful R.. I'll see if I can source these in the UK....probably Amazon.co.uk....
 
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So useful R.. I'll see if I can source these in the UK....probably Amazon.co.uk....


I should point out that, at this time, there are a bunch of brands of external hard drives that are ridiculously *unreliable*. Shockingly, the most unreliable ones are from the big name companies. For instance, folks seem to be seeing the most problems with Western Digital, Seagate, Iomega and LaCie external hard drives.

I've also heard many good things about:

Rocstor
https://rocstor.com/desktop-storage/

Weibetech
http://www.cru-inc.com/cru-wiebetech/
 

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Randy is correct about some of the big name drive providers. I personally went thru two Western Digital drives in a matter of weeks. The first one died and was in warranty. WD sent me a replacement and that died a week later. I became disgusted and threw it in the garbage. I'm now dealing with a flaky Seagate (fairly new) that is tempemental about mounting and dismounting. The only reliable drives I have left are several made by Toshiba. I also have one very old Iomega that still works fairly well.
 
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Guys - this is an important topic for many wanting one or more back-up external HDs - I own over a half dozen HDs backing up an iMac and 2 laptops - several are from OWC (recommended by Randy) - these are HGST products, i.e. Hitachi which is now owned by Western Digital (see quote - SOURCE); my others are WD, Seagate, & one LaCie SSD.

There now seems to be only 3-4 'major' companies that make HDs w/ many others now acquired by the top three in the pic below - just wondering if their products are all the same or if there are better quality sub-divisions? Randy mentioned Glyphtech - took a look and the drives look quite good but not sure if they are made by that company or sourced from the top ones already mentioned, as in the OWC products? Dave :)

Western Digital merged w/ Hitachi in 2012
Seagate acquire LaCie and Samsung
Toshiba acquired Fujitsu’s HDs in 1999
Hitachi acquired by WD in 2012
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Sorry, RD, here's the items...
Glyph 2 TB Studio FW800/USB3/eSATA Pro Desktop Hard Disk Drive - Silver.... and
OWC Mercury Elite Pro mini - Apple MacBook Air, 2.5", USB 2.0/eSATA/FireWire 800...

.... same question....
 

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Guys - this is an important topic for many wanting one or more back-up external HDs - I own over a half dozen HDs backing up an iMac and 2 laptops - several are from OWC (recommended by Randy) - these are HGST products, i.e. Hitachi which is now owned by Western Digital (see quote - SOURCE); my others are WD, Seagate, & one LaCie SSD.

There now seems to be only 3-4 'major' companies that make HDs w/ many others now acquired by the top three in the pic below - just wondering if their products are all the same or if there are better quality sub-divisions? Randy mentioned Glyphtech - took a look and the drives look quite good but not sure if they are made by that company or sourced from the top ones already mentioned, as in the OWC products? Dave :)

Well, first, your "source" for WD owning Hitachi is out of date and misleading. WD did purchase Hitachi's hard drive division:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/wd-buys-hitachi-gst-the-good-and-the-bad/1309

But... one or more governments were concerned that Western Digital would have too close to a monopoly, so they forced WD to divest some of Hitachi. Western Digital retained Hitachi’s 2.5” rotating disk (that is, laptop drives) and SSD businesses, but Hitachi’s 3.5” rotating disk (that is, desktop hard drive mechanisms) business was sold to Toshiba:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5635/...e-business-to-toshiba-complete-hitachi-buyout

WD also retained the Hitachi name. So, bear in mind that if you go today to a store to purchase an "HGST" internal hard drive mechanism from WD, it has no relation to the previously superb internal desktop hard drive mechanisms that we knew and loved for years, because that business was sold to Toshiba.

So, is Toshiba selling the excellent internal desktop hard drives that used to be made by Hitachi? It doesn't seem so. Toshiba's desktop hard drive mechanisms appear to all be made for them by third parties in China. They may still be good, but they aren't the same drives made in the same factory as before the company was broken up and sold.

You are correct, though, there are now only three companies from which you can purchase internal desktop (3.5-inch) rotating disk hard drive mechanisms: Seagate, Western Digital, and Toshiba. And, yes, each of those companies have several different models with various performance and quality standards at each storage capacity point. For instance, in the 1TB range WD has several models named after colors:
Blue: standard desktop drives - 2 year warranty
Green: Mass storage drives -- slower but more energy efficient, cheaper per GB. - 3 year warranty
Black: Faster, more cache, great compromise if you can't afford an SSD. - 5 year warranty
Red: Like Green, but more reliable and designed for small enclosures and RAID setups and which are optimized for quick access in a RAID. - 3 year warranty

Second, you are conflating internal hard drive mechanisms with external hard drives. I'll talk about this in my next post.
 
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Randy mentioned Glyphtech - took a look and the drives look quite good but not sure if they are made by that company or sourced from the top ones already mentioned, as in the OWC products?

External hard drives have to be looked at differently than internal hard drives mechanisms.

If an external hard drive doesn't come from Seagate, Western Digital, or Toshiba (or one of their wholly owned subsidiaries, such as HGST), then the internal hard drive mechanism comes from one of those three (as they are the only three companies selling internal hard drive mechanisms), and the external drive's case and electronics come from elsewhere.

The common question is, which of those three provides the mechanism for, for example, the Glyph Studio drive? And what does that tell me with regard to that drive's reliability? Logically, one would tend to believe that if, for instance, WD has been selling some really horrible internal hard drive mechanisms lately, that any third party hard drive that used a WD hard drive mechanism would also be horrible. But that's not at all necessarily the case.

The reality usually is that it doesn't matter what brand of internal mechanism is being used in an external hard drive, and if you knew, it wouldn't tell you anything. That's because external hard drive manufacturers order internal mechanisms from one of the big three in bulk, and they either specify the quality and testing done on those drives to meet their standards and/or they get the mechanisms in bulk and do their own testing to make sure that the mechanisms are good enough to go into their product.

So, when you purchase a Glyph Studio drive, it doesn't matter whose mechanism they are using. You are relying on Glyph's having made sure that whatever mechanism they are using at any particular time, it's been spec'ed and tested to meet Glyph's standards. Given that Glyph has an impeccable reputation, that's what you rely on.
 
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Very interesting reading indeed. Still considering my purchase although the Glyph doesn't seem to be available currently from Amazon UK. Would this Toshiba do the trick for my system ?
Toshiba Canvio AeroCast 1TB Wireless Portable Hard Drive USB 3.0 - Black - HDWW100EKWF1
 
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Well, first, your "source" for WD owning Hitachi is out of date and misleading. WD did purchase Hitachi's hard drive division:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/wd-buys-hitachi-gst-the-good-and-the-bad/1309...........

But... one or more governments were concerned that Western Digital would have too close to a monopoly, so they forced WD to divest some of Hitachi................
Second, you are conflating internal hard drive mechanisms with external hard drives. I'll talk about this in my next post.

External hard drives have to be looked at differently than internal hard drives mechanisms.............

If an external hard drive doesn't come from Seagate, Western Digital, or Toshiba (or one of their wholly owned subsidiaries, such as HGST), then the internal hard drive mechanism comes from one of those three (as they are the only three companies selling internal hard drive mechanisms), and the external drive's case and electronics come from elsewhere.

Hello Randy - thanks for your two excellent, thorough, and enlightening posts (just partially quoted above) - of my 6+ external HDs, 3 are OWC Mercury On-The-Go HDs, 2 USB & 1 TB - the USB ones are labeled HGST (one made in Taiwan & one in China); the TB drive is a 'WD Blue' made in Malaysia - so I'm assuming the HD component of each is a WD product, but all of the testing and other electronics associated w/ these HDs are controlled by OWC? Thanks again for your outstanding contributions - Dave :)
 
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Very interesting reading indeed. Still considering my purchase although the Glyph doesn't seem to be available currently from Amazon UK. Would this Toshiba do the trick for my system ?
Toshiba Canvio AeroCast 1TB Wireless Portable Hard Drive USB 3.0 - Black - HDWW100EKWF1

Will it work?...probably. Some customers with Macs had problems with this drive; read the reviews on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Q7V95OS/?tag=macforums0e4-20

The thing is that this is a USB 3.0 drive, but since your Mac only has USB 2.0, you will only ever get USB 2.0 speeds.

It can connect via Wi-Fi, but that won't be as fast as a hard wired connection.

This is also a portable drive. Portable drives makes compromises to be portable. For instance they usually have a slower platter speed and they may use a 2.5-inch internal drive mechanism instead of a 3.5-inch mechanism.

External hard drives generally aren't designed to use continually. If used continually they tend to become unreliable because they don't have the cooling that a desktop external hard drive has. Heat is the enemy of magnetic media. Notice that the supremely reliable Glyph studio drives go so far as to include an internal fan to keep things cool.

But if you just want a drive for occasional backups on the go, this drive will probably be fine for you.
 
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Hello Randy - thanks for your two excellent, thorough, and enlightening posts (just partially quoted above) - of my 6+ external HDs, 3 are OWC Mercury On-The-Go HDs, 2 USB & 1 TB - the USB ones are labeled HGST (one made in Taiwan & one in China); the TB drive is a 'WD Blue' made in Malaysia - so I'm assuming the HD component of each is a WD product, but all of the testing and other electronics associated w/ these HDs are controlled by OWC? Thanks again for your outstanding contributions - Dave :)

The case, power supply, and electronics are made by one of OWC's suppliers. Unlike many other companies that sell external hard drives, OWC has been good about making sure that the power demands of recent large internal mechanisms are met. Their cases are of a good quality. However, they don't go as far as Glyph with regard to cooling. There are no fans in OWC hard drives. They rely on using their case as a big heat sink. OWC drives are reasonably reliable, but they aren't premium drives.

There is no way to know what the specs were on the drives that OWC ordered from WD (for instance, the "Blue" mechanism inside your OWC drive may be quite a bit unlike a "Blue" drive that a consumer could purchase), or who did what testing. You just have to rely on OWC's reputation for reliable external hard drives to guess that a good level of testing was done.
 
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Someone asked me what happened to "X" brand of hard drive mechanisms. Here is how the hard drive industry has shaken out:

Western Digital purchased Hitachi which had previously purchased IBM's hard drive division
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/wd-buys-hitachi-gst-the-good-and-the-bad/1309

Western Digital retained Hitachi’s 2.5” and SSD businesses, but Hitachi’s 3.5” business was sold to Toshiba
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5635/...e-business-to-toshiba-complete-hitachi-buyout

Seagate purchased Samsung's hard drive division
http://blogs.forbes.com/briancaulfi...gs-hard-drive-business-in-1-375-billion-deal/

Seagate purchased Maxtor which had previously purchased Quantum
http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/05/12/21/1311235/Seagate-buys-Maxtor-for-19B>
http://articles.sfgate.com/2000-10-05/business/17663615_1_maxtor-quantum-ceo-michael-brown-net-loss

LaCie was also acquired by Seagate, though LaCie was never a manufacturer of internal hard drive mechanisms.
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...c_storage_provider_lacie_for_186_million.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8117619.stm

Toshiba purchased Fujitsu's hard drive division
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2009/02/18/toshiba-to-buy-fujitsu-hdd-division/1

WesternDigital acquired SanDisk
http://petapixel.com/2015/10/21/sandisk-acquired-by-western-digital-for-19-billion/

Basically there are now only three players in the rotating disk hard drive mechanism field, no matter what the name on the product: Seagate, Western Digital, and Toshiba.

To make things more complicated, all of the big three now farm out a lot of (all?) their manufacturing to various contractors in southeast Asia. I'm told that you can purchase several examples of a particular model of WD internal mechanism, with very similar serial numbers, open them up, and find that they are not identical and that parts don't necessarily interchange. That's because they were made by different manufacturers.
 

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@Randy:

Do you have a run down on solid state drives like that of the above info regarding spinning drives?
 
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@Randy:

Do you have a run down on solid state drives like that of the above info regarding spinning drives?

I'll tell you what I know off the top of my head.

SSD's are coming down in price, but as they do so they are also drastically diminishing in reliability and theoretical lifespan. As with RDHD's, the more reliable SSD's are noticeably more expensive. There are a number of "gotcha's" when shopping for SSD's, especially when pairing a third party SSD with a Macintosh.

By far the most reliable SSD's are made by Intel, but they are also among the most expensive SSD's on the market.
The SSD's with the most bang-for-your-buck tend to come from Samsung. But many (all?) Samsung SSD's don't offer over-provisioning.
http://www.myce.com/review/what-a-difference-over-provisioning-makes-4-66841/introduction-1/
http://www.samsung.com/global/busin...ite/SSD/M2M/html/whitepaper/whitepaper05.html
OWC offers some of the fastest SSD's:
http://barefeats.com/hard130.html
http://barefeats.com/ssd6g.html

There have been problems with third party SSD's and Macs because, until recently, Macs didn't support TRIM for third party SSD's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trim_(computing)
Some third party hard drives have claimed to handle TRIM without software support from the host OS, but what is offered isn't always as good as a full implementation of TRIM. And there have been third party kludges to make the Mac OS's TRIM work with third party hard drives, but the results haven't always been ideal:

Angelbird makes SSD's specifically for Macs, so you know that TRIM will work properly, and while they are more expensive than, for instance, a Samsung 850 EVO, they are said to be significantly faster.
http://www.angelbird.com/en/prod/ssd-wrk-for-mac-929/
http://barefeats.com/hard213.html

Good SSD review sites:
http://www.anandtech.com/tag/ssd
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-recommendation-benchmark,3269.html
http://www.barefeats.com
 

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Thanks Randy. Real good info as usual.
 

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