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Not to mention that the 13" MacBook Pro cost less than a high end Windows laptop...

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That's true, a fact many Windows users refuse to believe. Try pricing out a Microsoft Surface Pro 4 with 8 GB of memory, a 512 GB SSD, i7 CPU, and the optional (but necessary keyboard) and see what it costs.

chscag said:

That's true, a fact many Windows users refuse to believe. Try pricing out a Microsoft Surface Pro 4 with 8 GB of memory, a 512 GB SSD, i7 CPU, and the optional (but necessary keyboard) and see what it costs.

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Just out of curiosity, I checked and I couldn't even get a 512GB storage option. Anyway, not interested … but odd that 256GB seemed to be the max limit so one is also restricted with their options it seems… regardless of price… hmmm…???
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msca/en_CA/pdp/productID.326659100/config.true

The US Microsoft store also doesn't show anything larger than 256 GB but does offer 16 GB of system memory. Expensive enough.

This is the one that I meant to refer to. (Surface Book)

chscag said:

The US Microsoft store also doesn't show anything larger than 256 GB but does offer 16 GB of system memory. Expensive enough.

This is the one that I meant to refer to. (Surface Book)

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Hey, it just may be a bargain as it, are you ready…??? ——— "Surface Pen included"!!! Hot ****!!!

I played around with one at Staples (office supply chain store) and was actually impressed with it until I began to add up what it would cost. If I'm going to spend that much, I would rather it be on a new retina 27" 5K iMac with a 512GB SSD. (Approximately $2200 at B&H Photo in New York, free shipping and no state sales tax.)

A couple of years back a friend asked me to help him spec-up a new desktop for work and gaming. It very quickly became more expensive than my rMBP. I was shocked; the "Apple is expensive' myth is just that.

Maybe this isnt even the appropriate place to put my comment, I dont quite understand all I read on this thread except the comments about "life before....", LOL. Anyway, just want to say, granted however from a senior low tech user, my new 2015 15" fully maxed out mbp is only marginally better than the one I had, a base line mid 2012 non retina mbp. Used it 4 years thru all the OS upgrades and it never gave me any trouble not even a beachball. This new one had 3 kernal panics/restarts its first week (mid December). After 3rd one, I called Apple and they had me do a safe boot/restart normal and it has been ok since. But faith in it like I had with the 2012, nope, and wonder now why I replaced it!

chscag said:

That's true, a fact many Windows users refuse to believe. Try pricing out a Microsoft Surface Pro 4 with 8 GB of memory, a 512 GB SSD, i7 CPU, and the optional (but necessary keyboard) and see what it costs.

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And don't forget, the SSD isn't as fast as the PCIe flash drive that MacBooks have. Here's the performance of the PCIe flash drive in my Macbook from 2013:
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The AS SSD benchmark in Windows 8.1, running in VMware:
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chscag said:

That's true, a fact many Windows users refuse to believe. Try pricing out a Microsoft Surface Pro 4 with 8 GB of memory, a 512 GB SSD, i7 CPU, and the optional (but necessary keyboard) and see what it costs.

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And don't forget, the SSD isn't as fast as the PCIe flash drive that MacBooks have. Here's the performance of the PCIe flash drive in my Macbook from 2013:

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The AS SSD benchmark in Windows 8.1, running in VMware on the MacBook:

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I doubt that the Surface with its SSD drive's performance comes even close to the Windows 8.1 performance in VMware, much less the Macbook's performance...