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    Whether you agree or disagree I find it refreshing to get another point of view about this (and one that is not laced with panic):

    John Stossel Exposes Global Warming Myths


    Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:58 PM

    By: Newsmax Staff Article Font Size

    "20/20” co-anchor John Stossel is going on the attack against “experts” who warn about manmade global warming – along the way berating Al Gore for saying the debate over climate change is over.

    In a release from ABC previewing Stossel’s report on Friday’s “20/20,” the veteran newsman and Newsmax pundit – who won 19 Emmys exposing scammers and con artists – says:

    “This week on ‘20/20’ (in our new 8 p.m. Eastern time slot) I say ‘Give Me a Break!’ to our Nobel Prize-winning Vice President.

    “Mr. Gore says ‘The debate is over,’ and those who disagree with his take on global warming have been ‘purchased’ in order to create ‘the illusion of a debate.’ Nonsense. It's as if the Vice President and his allies in the environmental movement plan to win the debate through intimidation. I interview some scientists who won't be intimidated, even though one has had his life threatened for speaking up.

    “The Vice President's much-applauded movie, ‘An Inconvenient Truth,’ claims warming is man’s fault and a coming crisis! While the earth has certainly warmed over the last century, plenty of independent scientists say scientists cannot be sure that man caused the warming or that warming will be a crisis.

    “They say the computer models that are used to predict the disasters don’t include important variables because scientists don’t fully understand them. For example, warming may cause cloud formations that reflect sun and cool the earth. The computer models cannot know. These scientists call global warming activism more of a religious movement than science.”

    Gore's film is filled with “misleading messages,” says Stossel.

    “It suggests polar bears are disappearing and that ‘sea levels worldwide would go up 20 feet.’ I interview children who are scared. They believe the polar bears are already going extinct and that the oceans will soon rise even higher than 20 feet, drowning them and their parents.

    “But polar bear populations appear to be steady or increasing, and a 20-foot rise is a theoretical possibility that wouldn't happen for millennia. The IPCC, the group that shared last week’s Nobel Prize with the Vice President, says in 100 years the oceans might rise 7 to 24 inches, not 20 feet. Now a British judge has ruled that British schools must disclose to students nine inaccuracies in ‘An Inconvenient Truth’ if they play the movie in class.”

    Stossel said it’s “nonsense” for Gore to suggest that we can stop global warming by doing things like changing light bulbs and driving less.

    “The only practical thing we can do today that would make a difference in CO2 output is to launch a major shift toward nuclear energy. But the environmental movement rarely utters the word nuclear.

    “I suspect that next year's government boondoggle will be massive spending on carbon-reducing technology.

    “It reminds me of George Mason University Economics Department Chairman Don Boudreax's suggestion that such schemes really mean ‘government seizing enormous amounts of additional power in order to embark upon schemes of social engineering - schemes whose pursuit gratifies the abstract fantasies of the theory class and, simultaneously, lines the very real pockets of politically powerful corporations, organizations, and “experts."’

    “He is so right. The abstract fantasies of the theory class will soon send huge chunks of your money to politicians, friends, activist scientists, and politically savvy corporations.

    “The debate is over? That makes me say GIVE ME A BREAK!”

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    Oh, please. Newsmax is a right-wing "news" organization with a long history of slanted, slanderous, and flat-out false news stories. They make Fox News look almost respectable.
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    I agree, Newsmax is kind of crazy. Global warming is real and the best thing to do about global warming is get the best team of scientists from every relevant field; biology, environmental science, oceanography, geology, economics, meteorology, etc. and let them decide what is best to do about the problem and allow no government figures to be present. Then, let them see if they can think of a non-invasive private solution to the problem. Face it, being green is profitable now, so a private solution to global warming may not be some crazy dream I have, but if some government intervention is necessary, so be it. Of course, this idea is too non-partisan for cons or libs so I doubt the aforementioned meeting would ever actually be able to take place. The problems for both sides are as follows:

    For Libs - They don't like the idea of private solutions to problems, and some even think that no environmental problems can be solved privately. In the liberal mind, hardly any good can happen in a boardroom.

    For Cons - Allowing a private solution would mean admitting that global warming is real. So, pigs will be flying before Cons like this idea.
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    I'm currently writing a paper about media bias. I'm using newsmax as an example of right wing bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shannonb View Post
    I'm currently writing a paper about media bias. I'm using newsmax as an example of right wing bias.
    I'd probably use Newsmax as well. Of course, they don't pretend to cover up their biases. They'll gladly admit that they're conservative. Who is your example of left-wing bias?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCustomer99 View Post
    I'd probably use Newsmax as well. Of course, they don't pretend to cover up their biases. They'll gladly admit that they're conservative. Who is your example of left-wing bias?
    CNN would be good.
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    so have we really gotten to a point in america when we read news and instead of debating what it says we just attack its source?

    i wasn't aware that politically charged news was automatically disregarded or not...

    this article appears to have interviews with actual scientists who say actual things, these actual things are being reported in this article...so...take it or leave it, this is news
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    Quote Originally Posted by skye View Post
    so have we really gotten to a point in america when we read news and instead of debating what it says we just attack its source?

    i wasn't aware that politically charged news was automatically disregarded or not...

    this article appears to have interviews with actual scientists who say actual things, these actual things are being reported in this article...so...take it or leave it, this is news
    Amen!!!! I could not have worded it better myself. I don't care where the source is - I try hard to examine the evidence presented for it's own value and then weigh all the accumulated facts together. There are some very prominent scientists who actually work in this field (some estimates say up to 60%) who say humans are not causing global warming that it is a natural event occurring every so many thousands of years. There was an interesting point brought out by a prominent personality that caught my attention the other day. He asked: why are we so arrogant as to assume that the weather we have right now is the "perfect" weather? What difference would it matter if the temperature would shoot up 1 or 2 degrees - why do we assume that would be negative. I still remember Rachael Ward saying (back in the 80's) that the world would end in 15-20 years because of pollution. It has now been nearly 30 years - looks like she panicked for no reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skye View Post
    so have we really gotten to a point in america when we read news and instead of debating what it says we just attack its source?
    Yes, and this is how it should be.

    For the first time in history, in front of you, right now, you have a machine that can bring you the papers published by actual scientists, their academic credentials, and the sources of their funding. Or, since that's probably more work than you care to do, you can at least find more complete summaries than any news organization could ever compile.

    Why let some talking head with an obvious agenda tell you what to think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by babarnette View Post
    CNN would be good.
    I am indeed using CNN.

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    Newsmax may be right wing, but ABC is FAR from it. The fact that this is airing on ABC is rather interesting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by skye View Post
    so have we really gotten to a point in america when we read news and instead of debating what it says we just attack its source?

    i wasn't aware that politically charged news was automatically disregarded or not...

    this article appears to have interviews with actual scientists who say actual things, these actual things are being reported in this article...so...take it or leave it, this is news
    Quote Originally Posted by PapaNoHair View Post
    Amen!!!! I could not have worded it better myself. I don't care where the source is - I try hard to examine the evidence presented for it's own value and then weigh all the accumulated facts together. There are some very prominent scientists who actually work in this field (some estimates say up to 60%) who say humans are not causing global warming that it is a natural event occurring every so many thousands of years. There was an interesting point brought out by a prominent personality that caught my attention the other day. He asked: why are we so arrogant as to assume that the weather we have right now is the "perfect" weather? What difference would it matter if the temperature would shoot up 1 or 2 degrees - why do we assume that would be negative. I still remember Rachael Ward saying (back in the 80's) that the world would end in 15-20 years because of pollution. It has now been nearly 30 years - looks like she panicked for no reason.
    These are excellent posts.

    I also find it interesting that global warming is even a political issue. The bottom line is we will all be better off if there is less pollution in the air, regardless if it causing global warming or not. Steps should be taken to take care of the environment and conserve our resources but turning it into a political issue and forcing people to take sides just hinders the progress of getting things done. Why are we concentrating on the term "global warming" when we could be using that energy to develop new technologies to reduce pollution and conserve our resources, back in the 70's people where concerned with global cooling and thinking we were headed towards another ice age. Things change on this planet everyday, we can't predict what things will change tomorrow, next month, or in one hundred years, lets take the steps necessary to clean the air and reduce our dependence on fossil fuels and everyone will benefit. Anyway thats my rant for the day, thanks for listening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baggss View Post
    Newsmax may be right wing, but ABC is FAR from it. The fact that this is airing on ABC is rather interesting.
    Interesting observation - actually I did not pay attention to who aired it - Newsmax or ABC, I just was intrigued by what it said. The fact that ABC aired it does amaze me. Apparently Newsmax just reported on the ABC story. I should have recognized the name. As mentioned in another post - I get the majority of my news off the internet. Who airs something does not really concern me that much - it has been my experience all people lean one way or another and it is practically impossible to keep individual bias out of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baggss View Post
    Newsmax may be right wing, but ABC is FAR from it. The fact that this is airing on ABC is rather interesting.
    Very true baggss. I am surprised ABC did air this story. Interesting indeed.
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    I think I will stick to the info I get from New Scientist and Scientific American on this one.

    Global warming IS going to happen, just how much. The scientific communnity agree that the sceptics should be allowed their say, but get 1000 random scienstists in a room and you can safely bet over 95% will agree that warming is occuring.

    Unless they all work for the oil industry that is

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