User Reputation System Question

[nukemm]

I have a silly n00b question, how do you view your reputation points?

EDIT: There is a positive reputation point reward for the first person to help me...

 

[baggss]

i disagree. anyone who leaves bad rep who doesn't leave their name should think twice about whether they would if they were forced to. seriously, if you're taking advantage of anonymously flinging negtivity someone's way (which in and of itself brings up loads of character questions), then you're a hypocrite to think it's wrong for someone to 'negative rep' you back (its just as inane).

and, to be completely honest, if someone were to give me negative rep for this, signed and everything, i wouldn't feel at all like i would have to retaliate, it's just not cool. i apparantly don't have, or maybe want to have, the same view of human nature.

Ok, so enjoy not giving any negative rep, or getting slammed when you do. Either way, it doesn't really matter to me. Labeling people as hypocrites because you don't like the system seems sort of silly. As it is, the current system give you the option to leave your name with either good or bad rep, it's up each individual as to what they do.

I have a silly n00b question, how do you view your reputation points?

EDIT: There is a positive reputation point reward for the first person to help me...

Either click on the box between the red dot and the "!" at the bottom left of you post, below your user name. Alternately you can click on "Profile" at the top of any page and see your points and the comments.

 

[nukemm]

Either click on the box between the red dot and the "!" at the bottom left of you post, below your user name. Alternately you can click on "Profile" at the top of any page and see your points and the comments.

Thank you very much, baggss! I have a whopping 25 reputation points, but I added to yours, whatever it is worth!

 

[eric]

Labeling people as hypocrites because you don't like the system seems sort of silly.

i'm not sure you understood my post, or perhaps you're just trying to misdirect the discussion. i didn't say that. i said they would be hypocrites because of something they do, not because i don't like the system (hypocracy in this case is hard fact, not my opinion). i don't mind a little constructive discussion about disagreements, just be sure you're disagreeing with something i actually said.

cool? great!

now back to the thread...

 

[dtravis7]

Not trying to take sides here at all but speaking from experience as a Sysop of one of the older BBS systems for many years and a Mod on different forums. I have to agree overall with Baggss. If you leave MOST people a negative and list your handle, there will be retaliation and a war. I have seen this over and over again. There are some who will take the neg as constructive criticism and try to change IF the Neg Rep was fairly given in the first place, but the majority would be angry and a war would start.

Like I said in another message, I never give Neg Rep unless there is a REAL reason. I just don't hand it out for mistakes people make or because I don't like someone. I give it when it REALLY deserved and I feel the user needs to know they did something very wrong.

 

[baggss]

i (hypocracy in this case is hard fact, not my opinion).

I agree that it would be hypocritical to do as you suggested, but seemed that you were calling people hypocritical for simply agreeing with the current system not just that specific issue. I had no intention of misdirecting anything, and don't feel that it did, it was simply how I interpreted what you wrote.

As for the direction of the thread, it's hard to control without direct staff intervention.

 

[KoDorSean]

my opinion, the chances of someone not starting a "war" when negative rep is left is very very slim.. generaly in life when someone makes a mistake or does something wrong the first thing out of there mouth is "its not my fault" or they try to place blame somewhere else.. when someone leaves a negataive rep for someone and they see it I would bet my paycheck the first thing in their head is "what a jerk" or "how could they?" not "wow i really made a big mistake and deserve that negative rep!"

just my opinion.

 

[Fallooza]

seriously, if you're taking advantage of anonymously flinging negtivity someone's way , then you're a hypocrite to think it's wrong for someone to 'negative rep' you back

in this quote you are basically sayin- its ok ta neg. rep a person that gave you bad rep. if you thought the neg rep he gave you was (in your opinion) unjust. this is why the names arent given.

 

[nukemm]

I like the concept of reputation, as you can use it to try and identify who is worthwhile, and who has a history of being a real jerk. I don't feel that people should be able to give negative reputation points on a whim, like maybe submit a request for negative points, to be given at moderator discretion. That layer would filter out the random vengeance points and personal battles that would come with name-attached negative reputation points.

 

[Fallooza]

I like the concept of reputation, as you can use it to try and identify who is worthwhile, and who has a history of being a real jerk. I don't feel that people should be able to give negative reputation points on a whim, like maybe submit a request for negative points, to be given at moderator discretion. That layer would filter out the random vengeance points and personal battles that would come with name-attached negative reputation points.

are there right and wrong reasons ta give rep?
whenever i start a thread i give everyone that posts whether its good or bad a possative rep. (even if they only wrot "haha") am i abusing the system? if someone didnt like that i did that and gave me bad rep would that be wrong?

 

[CrossBones]

Nothing positive comes from the use of Negative Rep

First of all leaving your name isn't optional. In fact on this board it isn't set up to not leave the name of the poster who left rep, neg or otherwaise. To me that's not a good thing.

And the fact that this thread is out of control shows that the negative rep option should be eliminated or at a minimum reserved for MODS (although they have the infraction system now so negative rep is redundant).

Rarely does anything positive come from members giving negative rep to anybody. Talk about it all you want it's just a bad thing -- I've seen it over and over. Positive rep as I posted a long time ago in this thread is for rewarding people who are an asset to the forum. People that are not should be dealt with by the moderators.

 

[baggss]

I like the concept of reputation, as you can use it to try and identify who is worthwhile, and who has a history of being a real jerk. I don't feel that people should be able to give negative reputation points on a whim, like maybe submit a request for negative points, to be given at moderator discretion. That layer would filter out the random vengeance points and personal battles that would come with name-attached negative reputation points.

I like the idea, but as a current forum Admin (not here) I can tell you that something of that nature requires a LOT of work from the staff. Most forums are run as a hobby not as a business and even here at MF it would be hard for the staff to implement that without iNet having full time forum rovers running the place.

 

[CrossBones]

This is why we have the "report post" feature. If somebody is that abusive you can report a bad post and a MOD can use the infraction system to handle it. See it's really not that difficult.

Like I said I have never seen anything good come out of the general membership being able to give negative rep --- especially anonymous neg rep!

 

[baggss]

This is why we have the "report post" feature. If somebody is that abusive you can report a bad post and a MOD can use the infraction system to handle it. See it's really not that difficult.

Like I said I have never seen anything good come out of the general membership being able to give negative rep --- especially anonymous neg rep!

Again, that takes an enormous amount of time for the staff to manage. If there were full time 24 hour staff support, it would be easy, but there is not. The staff is all volunteer and they have lives outside of the forums. I don't really care if you leave your name or not for any rep, but it at least gives the members a way to identify who is being helpful and who is not. If you really think your being abused by rep, contact the staff, they will look into it and see if someone has a grudge.

 

[CrossBones]

D'oh

Here is an interesting example ..somebody gave me negative rep with this comment:

"they arent goin ta get rid of neg rep just cus you dont like ta get them"...

Now see there? First, I would like to know who sent that to me so I could PM them and clear up why I don't think the neg rep system is good. It's NOT because I don't like to get them. It's because it's counter productive to a good community atmosphere. There is a BIG difference.

We've already wasted three pages talking about this and nothing constructive has come out of it. My point exactly. If members are acting inappropriately then use the "Report Post" feature and let MOD or ADMIN handle the abusive offender. That's what it is there for and MODS don't necessarily have to be online 24/7 reading every single post.

So giving me negative rep for my participation in this thread was completely uncalled for. If a MOD thinks I did something in this thread to warrant neg rep, please let me know. The system is broken!

 

[baggss]

Why do feel the need to argue with them? They told you what they thought, so what? But if you knew, you would "clear that up" (there's the arguing and/or retaliation) and only end up pissing both of you off. Take it with a grain of salt and move on.

And again, while using the report post function can be good in many situations, it puts a huge burden on the staff to monitor everything, something they can't do. It does not need to be used in all cases. So someone told you they disagreed and left you some neg rep, so what? You were not doing anything wrong so there was no need to report you and that person did not feel like getting into the thread, they left you their opinion, so what? Is that so bad?

As a side note, maybe if you quit complaining and arguing about the system, the staff has already weighed in, you wouldn't get bad rep. We've wasted 3 pages and I've gotten LOTS of positive rep, how about you? If the system on these forums bugs you so much, there are other forums you can go to.

 

[CrossBones]

Too logical I think.

Cya.

 

[PowerBookG4]

Why do feel the need to argue with them? They told you what they thought, so what? But if you knew, you would "clear that up" (there's the arguing and/or retaliation) and only end up pissing both of you off. Take it with a grain of salt and move on.

And again, while using the report post function can be good in many situations, it puts a huge burden on the staff to monitor everything, something they can't do. It does not need to be used in all cases. So someone told you they disagreed and left you some neg rep, so what? You were not doing anything wrong so there was no need to report you and that person did not feel like getting into the thread, they left you their opinion, so what? Is that so bad?

I completely agree. Don't over use the report bad post button, its like the boy who cried wolf. However, if you do see a post that should be taken care of, please let the mods know, as it helps keep our community a nice place.

The rep system however, is a good system. Both the negative rep and the positive rep are ways to let other members know how you feel about their behavior on the forums, and let everybody else know how you are viewed by the other members.

 

[PapaNoHair]

.......And the fact that this thread is out of control shows that the negative rep option should be eliminated or at a minimum reserved for MODS (although they have the infraction system now so negative rep is redundant)........

I agree with this - MODS should make the determination if something negative is legimate.

 

[baggss]

This thread is nowhere NEAR "out of control", it is simply what I would term a "lively" discussion.

Perhaps we just need to agree to disagree and leave it at that.