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I agree with this 100%! Myself personally, I can learn stuff by myself better than with the instruction of some one (in MOST cases). When I went to school, I spent $800 on books for one semester, and my lectures were powerpoint presentations of EXACT pages of the book I just spent $125 on..

The social atmosphere of my school, was, okay, I guess. Lots of rich "mommy and daddy paid for everything" kids. Which bothers me, because if they flunked out, they wouldn't have anything to worry about it. When moving into the dorm I was in, I saw people show up with their ONE kid, and have a truck, with a fair-sized trailer full of their crap! IT astounded me.

Why should I even bother showing up when I can just stay in my dorm and read the book myself (CCNA 1&2), and learn it all myself? That's why it was a waste of money in my eyes. Not to mention that majority of the stuff I "learned" in the semester I was there, I learned 5+ years ago. And guess what? I did it by myself.

Same thing goes for Photoshop/Illustrator. I've had people tell me they thought I went to school for that kind of stuff, and think I'm a 3rd year advertisement student, when I merely just use it on my own time and learned it myself.



I couldn't imagine paying that much for school, unless it was something I REALLY wanted, and would be worth it/guarantee me a solid job at the end.

I would argue that this really depends on your major. A lot of the IT and graphic design people I know didn't need school. Like you said, there is no reason you can't learn that on your own. There is no way, not even with the sheer amount of material I read (and I read ALOT) that I could have learned half of what I know with out school. Not to mention gain the actual research and clinical experience that I needed to land the job I am at now. To be honest, it doesn't matter how much you impress someone for an interview if you can't even get in the door because on that little thing we call a resume it stops at "High School Diploma".

But like I said, it really depends on the major/field you are in.
 
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I would argue that this really depends on your major. A lot of the IT and graphic design people I know didn't need school. Like you said, there is no reason you can't learn that on your own. There is no way, not even with the sheer amount of material I read (and I read ALOT) that I could have learned half of what I know with out school. Not to mention gain the actual research and clinical experience that I needed to land the job I am at now. To be honest, it doesn't matter how much you impress someone for an interview if you can't even get in the door because on that little thing we call a resume it stops at "High School Diploma".

But like I said, it really depends on the major/field you are in.

Yeah, for sure. I mean, I was doing PC tech work for a buddy of mine, and before that, at a different location, while I was in highschool. It's because I knew my stuff and knew what to do, when to do it, causes, etc.

It just bothers the heck out of me to know that to make myself "look good" or that "I am capable," I need to spend several thousands of dollars on a piece of paper.

My girl did a 3-year advertisement course and she's working in a call center. Which bothers me too, as well as her because of the fact she took 3 years of life, and several thousands of dollars to complete it, only to land a job that pays $13/hr.

I, for one, was doing Advanced Computer Systems Technology, because at the time I was big into PC's, modding, building, repairing, etc, etc, etc with PC's (still used Mac too). When I got to school, I realised how much I hated it, and how much I didn't want to go into the IT field.

I was going to open my own company dedicated to building high-performance platforms for clients (design work stations, DAW/recording setups, servers, etc, etc).

Four months of school quickly changed that for me. Now I found where I want to be, and am going with it. I don't want/need school to do it. Would it help? Yeah, probably, but it's not a requirement. "Dang the man" as they say.
 
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It just bothers the heck out of me to know that to make myself "look good" or that "I am capable," I need to spend several thousands of dollars on a piece of paper.

I agree. I was having a discussion with a few colleagues and we were talking about how a H/S diploma doesn't mean jack anymore, the way the school systems are. One of them was saying (he works in the private sector in I/O psychology, basically hiring selection and such) that the A.A. is the new H.S. diploma; the B.A. is the new A.A., and really to land a really good job, especially now, you need a Masters (or a ridiculous amount of verifiable experience). We need to fix the school systems or pretty soon us people doing PhD's will even not have enough, and we will need post-doctorate work! :)
 
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I'm not sure what bothers me more, what I was just saying, or the fact that when applying for a job, you'll see something along the lines of "3-5 years experience needed."

Well how the heck am I going to get experience, if people don't hire me to gain that experience? As far as I'm concerned, experience is far more valuable than any college/university degree.
 
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I'm not sure what bothers me more, what I was just saying, or the fact that when applying for a job, you'll see something along the lines of "3-5 years experience needed."

Well how the heck am I going to get experience, if people don't hire me to gain that experience? As far as I'm concerned, experience is far more valuable than any college/university degree.

Well that is an interesting topic actually. You see, because of the way that the west is, being highly individualistic, we bounce from job to job more often than those in the east (whom are truly dedicated to companies, so dedicated in fact that not long ago Japan initiated laws about employees HAVING to take vacation time). In the west, why train someone who is most likely going to leave anyway (as most people switch jobs I believe 5-8 times in their lives, but I would have to look up the actual statistic). So, while I agree with you, you also can't blame the companies, because it is just their way of knowing that while you are there you can do what you say you can do and they don't have to invest tons of money in training that they will most likely not see out of you in the long run.
 
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Well that is an interesting topic actually. You see, because of the way that the west is, being highly individualistic, we bounce from job to job more often than those in the east (whom are truly dedicated to companies, so dedicated in fact that not long ago Japan initiated laws about employees HAVING to take vacation time). In the west, why train someone who is most likely going to leave anyway (as most people switch jobs I believe 5-8 times in their lives, but I would have to look up the actual statistic). So, while I agree with you, you also can't blame the companies, because it is just their way of knowing that while you are there you can do what you say you can do and they don't have to invest tons of money in training that they will most likely not see out of you in the long run.

I agree with you as well. But at the same time, I've had many years of actual PC-tech experience. Can I get a job in that field? No! Why? Because I don't have the piece of paper.

It's a stupid vicious cycle, and very frustrating at that.
 
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I agree with you as well. But at the same time, I've had many years of actual PC-tech experience. Can I get a job in that field? No! Why? Because I don't have the piece of paper.

It's a stupid vicious cycle, and very frustrating at that.

It's funny because I was going to say that; it is, indeed, a vicious cycle. My brother is the same as you, he has no piece of paper, but he was VERY lucky to land a job and now he has ridiculous experience (15+ years). It would be interesting to see, however, if not having that paper still hurt him (not that I want him to loose his job, but that is the researcher in me talking, always curious). :)
 
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Good luck man.
 
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So not funny.

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Pretty asinine.
 
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good luck to you man, sounds like you know what you want.
 

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