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    macOS 10.14.0 will be called Mojave
    Looks like Apple has chosen the California High Desert name of "Mojave" for its next version of macOS. In case anyone is wondering, the "j" in Mojave is pronounced as an "h". Also, only the following machines will be able to run "Mojave":

    While macOS High Sierra was available for some machines manufactured as early as 2009, macOS Mojave is largely limited to 2012 or newer machines, with the exception of some Mac Pro models. Here's a full list:

    [*]MacBook (Early 2015 or newer)[*]MacBook Air (Mid 2012 or newer)[*]MacBook Pro (Mid 2012 or newer)[*]Mac mini (Late 2012 or newer)[*]iMac (Late 2012 or newer)[*]iMac Pro (2017)[*]Mac Pro (Late 2013, plus mid 2010 and mid 2012 models with recommended Metal-capable GPU)


    As you can see, compared to High Sierra, the update drops support for the older plastic MacBooks, and MacBook Pro, Air, mini, and iMac models from 2009, 2010, and 2011.


    These older machines will not have access to the macOS Mojave features, and will continue to run macOS High Sierra.

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    Please backup. Everything has a life cycle, unexpected and warning free. Nothing will last as long as you want it to.

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    I wonder if this will run on Fusion Drives?

    It is amazing Apple is selling new iMacs with Fusion Drives whilst High Sierra, the current operating system, will not install HS running Apple File System, the main benefit of HS.
    Hang on to those original install discs like grim death! Using OS X.7 or later make a bootable USB thumb drive before running Installer!

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    I assume by that you are wondering whether the APFS formatting will be supported on Fusion drives?

    I was listening an iLife podcast after the keynote and also had their FB page open during the Keynote. The concensus is that it will run on Fusion drives. I'll see if I can dig up a definitive answer.

    Edit: According to this Mojave will support APFS on Fusion dirves.
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    By all indications, Fusion drives will be supported for APFS when Mojave is released. Also some speculation on my part is that new iMac models may be limited as to which ones Fusion drives would even be offered on. I suspect that the entry level 21.5" models will have them and possibly the entry level 27" model. All other model iMacs will have pure flash storage. Actually it makes sense that Apple would switch to flash storage on all its Mac models.

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    I think you are right on both counts Charlie. That makes sense as flash drives become cheaper.

    The reality is that most users could get by with a moderately sized flash drive and keeping the bulk of their data on an external drive. I don't think most users would notice a signifciant performance difference.

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    Sly we have been fed that gunk 'SSDs will become cheaper' for over ten years now!

    Fusion drives would be an improvement over the 5400 rpm drives now offered in low entry 21.5" models.
    Hang on to those original install discs like grim death! Using OS X.7 or later make a bootable USB thumb drive before running Installer!

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    Yeah, very true Sly. My 2017 5K iMac has 2 Thunderbolt 3 ports which are the same as USB 3.1/USB-C. Access to and from a TB 3 drive is almost as fast as the internal bus speed. I haven't invested in any Thunderbolt drives yet as I really don't have a need for one right now.

    Most of our ministry data and documents are archived on other hard drives and duplicated twice for safe keeping.

    Another note... I was just looking over all my apps to see which ones were 32 bit and 64 bit. You can do that easily from your Apple menu, About this Mac, System Report, Software, and finally Applications. You can scroll thru them that way and it will tell you which are 32 bit and which are 64 bit. I've probably got 2 or 3 key apps that are still 32 bit and may quit working when Mojave is released. That's something we all need to be prepared for.

    I'm hoping to get on the Mojave public beta list and do some testing but I hate to put it on my working iMac. I usually place the beta on an external hard drive and boot from it that way. But I suspect that the external drive will have to be formatted to APFS first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harryb2448 View Post
    Sly we have been fed that gunk 'SSDs will become cheaper' for over ten years now!

    Fusion drives would be an improvement over the 5400 rpm drives now offered in low entry 21.5" models.
    SSDs have gotten cheaper Harry, that is except the ones that Apple sells! They still charge exorbitant prices for pure flash storage when you buy an iMac but there is no way that I will ever buy another Mac with a spinner hard drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chscag View Post
    Yeah, very true Sly. My 2017 5K iMac has 2 Thunderbolt 3 ports which are the same as USB 3.1/USB-C. Access to and from a TB 3 drive is almost as fast as the internal bus speed. I haven't invested in any Thunderbolt drives yet as I really don't have a need for one right now.
    I've been debating getting a Thunderbolt drive -- especially all I had was the MacBook Pro with USB 2.0. Is there any real speed difference between TB 2 which my iMac has and USB 3.1. Doubt that there is but just checking.

    Ditto what Charlie said about the cost of Flash storage.

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    I suspect the future of computers is that the concepts of memory and drive will merge into something else, maybe "capacity" as it is called on iDevices. And like on iOS, running and storing data will equally have access to that "capacity." When that comes, the memory will be soldered in and no upgrades. The theory will be that you buy the box as an "appliance" and just run with it. For 99% of people, that's just fine. Those of us who like to tinker with the boxes will hate it. I know that the two types of memory are different for now, but there is no good reason it has to stay that way. As I said, consider the iDevices. I have an iPhone with 256G capacity. It wouldn't take much to move to 512G or even 1T.

    I used to be a shade tree mechanic, working on my own car. Now I don't, but then again, I don't need to. The cars I have just run and don't need much. One of them I've never opened the hood (bonnet for my Brit friends). It's called progress and while I miss the tinkering on my car, I don't miss the reasons I needed to tinker. The same thing is coming to computing, including the Mac.

    We'll adjust.
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    I use a TB2 drive and a USB3 drive as external backups, both 256GB Kingston NOW SSDs.

    Using SuperDuper, they both do an identical Smart Backup to within one second of each other.
    Hang on to those original install discs like grim death! Using OS X.7 or later make a bootable USB thumb drive before running Installer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by harryb2448 View Post
    I use a TB2 drive and a USB3 drive as external backups, both 256GB Kingston NOW SSDs.

    Using SuperDuper, they both do an identical Smart Backup to within one second of each other.
    Thanks for that info Harry. I thought I had read something similar somewhere. Given the price difference I think I will forgo TB drives and save that port for something that might make better use of it.

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