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    Question How to update playlist between iTunes and iPhone without duplicating?
    Let's say I have a playlist in iTunes called "Favorite Songs." I have it synced to my iPhone. Let's say today I want to add a new song to this playlist and mirror that change on iPhone. So in iTunes I add the new song to "Favorite Songs" and then sync my iPhone (which is already set to sync this playlist). However, instead of simply updating the playlist, iTunes creates a copy of the playlist called "Favorite Songs 1" and then updates the original playlist "Favorite Songs." Now I have two playlists in iTunes and on iPhone instead of 1.

    1. WHY does it do this?
    2. How can I update a playlist without creating a copy of the original AND without having to first UNsync the entire playlist, then update it, then resync the entire playlist (the only workaround I know so far)?
    -Jonathan
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    I totally understand your question and situation.

    This happens to me too, although intermittently.

    I "think" this is a bug or glitch related to the syncing process and, in my case anyway, is only apparent when I have iCloud syncing turned on - which I do all the time.

    This is how I deal with this annoyance - not a solution, more a workaround:

    As you say, you've added or deleted a song or songs from your Favourite Songs playlist since you last synced with your iPhone.

    Now you do a new sync (BTW I always sync via USB, not WiFi). And you get Favourite Songs and Favourite Songs 1.

    Before disconnecting, I delete Fav Songs 1 from the iTunes' list and from the iPhone's list. Then disconnect. That solves the problem in almost every situation.

    And just as a test, if, having done that and are still connected, you sync again, you will not get the Fav Songs 1.

    Lastly, strictly speaking, these are NOT exact duplicates. The Fav 1 playlist will always have fewer songs in it than Fav Songs.

    Sorry to be less than helpful with a precise solution. But what I do works. I still believe it is linked in some way to using iCloud as a backup via iTunes Music Library.

    Ian
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    Quote Originally Posted by IWT View Post
    I totally understand your question and situation.

    This happens to me too, although intermittently.

    I "think" this is a bug or glitch related to the syncing process and, in my case anyway, is only apparent when I have iCloud syncing turned on - which I do all the time.

    This is how I deal with this annoyance - not a solution, more a workaround:

    As you say, you've added or deleted a song or songs from your Favourite Songs playlist since you last synced with your iPhone.

    Now you do a new sync (BTW I always sync via USB, not WiFi). And you get Favourite Songs and Favourite Songs 1.

    Before disconnecting, I delete Fav Songs 1 from the iTunes' list and from the iPhone's list. Then disconnect. That solves the problem in almost every situation.

    And just as a test, if, having done that and are still connected, you sync again, you will not get the Fav Songs 1.

    Lastly, strictly speaking, these are NOT exact duplicates. The Fav 1 playlist will always have fewer songs in it than Fav Songs.

    Sorry to be less than helpful with a precise solution. But what I do works. I still believe it is linked in some way to using iCloud as a backup via iTunes Music Library.

    Ian
    Yes, the playlist with "1" appended to the name is the original playlist whereas the one without the "1" is the updated list. I guess I'm already doing what you're doing, just in reverse. I delete un-sync the playlist first, then update it on iTunes, then re-sync it. Tried to test what you described just now after updating a playlist, but it didn't create a copy this time (first time it's worked "correctly" for me). I'll try next time it happens.
    -Jonathan
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    Quote Originally Posted by IWT View Post
    Before disconnecting, I delete Fav Songs 1 from the iTunes' list and from the iPhone's list. Then disconnect. That solves the problem in almost every situation.

    And just as a test, if, having done that and are still connected, you sync again, you will not get the Fav Songs 1.
    Just a followup. I'm not sure what you mean by "just as a test," because for me, I always have to sync twice:

    1. Update playlist (Fav Songs)
    2. 1ST SYNC
    3. Delete the newly created Fav Songs 1 (a pointless "backup" of the original playlist that iTunes has created without me asking it to and added to both my iTunes library and my iPhone)
    4. 2ND SYNC

    There's no way to delete Fav Songs 1 from the iPhone under "On My Device." If you click on the playlist there and hit delete, nothing happens. You have to sync the iPhone again after deleting Fav Songs 1 from your iTunes library, and only then is it removed from the iPhone as well.

    Is that what your experience is?
    -Jonathan
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    Yes. That’s what happens with me too.

    Sorry if I didn’t make that clear in my first post.

    It’s a pain for sure. I still think it’s related to my having my music backed up via iTunes Music Library. It didn’t occur in the days before I started that although that could be a coincidence I suppose.

    Ian
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    Quote Originally Posted by IWT View Post
    I still think it’s related to my having my music backed up via iTunes Music Library.
    Are you talking about cloud backup? Where are the settings for that? I can't seem to find anything under iTunes > Preferences...
    -Jonathan
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