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    Quote Originally Posted by chscag View Post
    I have come up with some additional information regarding the new version of iTunes (12.7):

    1. It will not remove the mobile apps from your Mac. They will still remain in place. Keep in mind though, that any 32 bit iOS apps will no longer work with iOS 11.

    2. Apple has since provided instructions on how to manually move items from your Mac to your iOS device: See the following Apple KB article Titled "Changes in iTunes". The support document (see link) shows how to manually move ringtones and other things to your iOS device.

    I suspect Apple is getting hit with a barrage of complaints regarding the removal of the App Store from iTunes. There is a 24 page (at last count) thread over at MacRumors regarding this issue. And the overwhelming majority of replies are outrage and complaints.

    Perhaps the Tim Cook gang will think over what they have done with the new iTunes?
    Just coming into this thread and not sure what are my best options? iTunes on my MBPro (where I keep my iPad Air 2 backup + also in iCloud) has already updated to the newest version - I do not have an iPhone - also I just made an iPad backup and looked at the directory folder mentioned previously (screen capture below) - seems my *.ipa files remain there - SO, my question is where to go from here? Will take a look at the links - this kind of 'bit me in the rear', I must say - Dave
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    Hi Dave:

    Those *.ipa files are not going to be able to be used to sync apps back to your iPad or iPhone. The only way now is to open the iTunes App store on your iDevice and go to the "purchased" option where you can either select "All" or "Not on my iPad or iPhone". Any purchased app that you do not currently have on your iPad or iPhone will show up as a small cloud symbol. Which means you can download it again.

    As far as backups are concerned, since you have iMazing you can continue to make backups to your Mac. I'm trying to determine if iMazing can do what iTunes used to do and that is be able to sync apps back on your iDevice. I suspect that if it doesn't, the developers will soon add that function.

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    No more iOS App Store in the iTunes update!
    According to OSX Daily Sept 13; "The new version of iTunes adds support for iOS 11 while simultaneously removing the iOS App Store from being included in iTunes. Additionally, iTunes 12.7 removes the ability to sync iOS apps and ringtones on an iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch via iTunes on the desktop. Instead, Apple wants you to manage and download iOS apps from the iPhone or iPad itself via the native iOS App Store application."
    I know there will be heaps of opinions about this move of Apple's to focus iTunes on music, movies, TV shows and Audiobooks rather than allowing desktop level syncing of iOS apps.
    I for one will miss being able to organise home screen apps on a big screen.

    The ability to load only the apps needed from a library of apps stored on my mbp.

    Updating apps via OSX where internet reception is not so good leaving the existing versions still useable on your iOS device.

    Which beggars the question is there any point in keeping the iTunes library folder containing all my mobile apps?

    Will backups via iTunes save our apps or will we need to download them all from the App store all over again after a Restore? This could be another reason to use the already rather handy iMazing app.

    I'm sure there will be other implications and opinions on this one but it would be a good idea to make sure your house is in order before applying this update.

    I believe that although the update is to prepare for the immenent High Sierra upgrade the existing iTunes version will work with iOS 11 that may change, OSX Daily states;Itís worth mentioning that iTunes 12.6. is currently compatible with iOS 11, though that may change when the final version of iOS 11 is released to the public on September 19."
    So turn off your auto updates now if you want some breathing space before the plunge.
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    There is another thread regarding iTunes 12.7 here, http://www.mac-forums.com/showthread.php?t=343024.

    In one of the linked articles I read yesterday, they mention manually syncing apps & tones, with your iPhone.
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    @chscag, in one of the articles above, it shows how to manually sync apps and tones to your iphone, while connected to itunes, it's drag and drop easy, according to the "kirkville" article linked by Ian in post #8, I believe.
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    Hi Bob

    Correct. This is the specific link to the article concerned: https://www.kirkville.com/how-to-cop...h-itunes-12-7/

    This was embedded in the former article I posted, as an internal link - if that makes sense.

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    These is the link:

    https://www.kirkville.com/how-to-cop...h-itunes-12-7/

    BTW, Rod, the other thread mentioned goes into all this in some detail. Worth a look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chscag View Post
    Hi Dave:

    Those *.ipa files are not going to be able to be used to sync apps back to your iPad or iPhone. The only way now is to open the iTunes App store on your iDevice and go to the "purchased" option where you can either select "All" or "Not on my iPad or iPhone". Any purchased app that you do not currently have on your iPad or iPhone will show up as a small cloud symbol. Which means you can download it again.

    As far as backups are concerned, since you have iMazing you can continue to make backups to your Mac. I'm trying to determine if iMazing can do what iTunes used to do and that is be able to sync apps back on your iDevice. I suspect that if it doesn't, the developers will soon add that function.
    Hi Chscag - thanks for your response - I usually do not worry about syncing apps from my computer to my iDevice, BUT I was planning to buy a new iPad at the end of the year (once iOS 11.x is 'stable') - my usual plan is to restore the 'new' device from a backup on my computer (or in iCloud - will the latter be an option) - will that no longer be possible? I do have both iMazing & iExplorer on my MBPro and have made a BU w/ iMazing (never tried or used). Will now read Ian's links more carefully - boy, this is going to surprise and irritate a LOT of people who have made the switch to the new iTunes but are 'in the woods' concerning these issues. Dave
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    Dave:

    I just received an upgrade notice and 15% discount email from Macroplant (iExplorer developer) and haven't made up my mind if I want to upgrade and pay another $33 at the same time. Since you have both iMazing and iExplorer, is there any difference between them? I have the latest iMazing and if it does the same things that iExplorer does, I might just pass this upgrade by.

    Thanks.

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    @Rod:

    Please check ongoing threads before posting a new one on a subject for which a thread already exists. I moved your thread here and combined it with the one that already exists.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrarr View Post
    @chscag, in one of the articles above, it shows how to manually sync apps and tones to your iphone, while connected to itunes, it's drag and drop easy, according to the "kirkville" article linked by Ian in post #8, I believe.
    Yeah Bob, thanks. I had already picked up on that from the long-winded thread over at MacRumors. I knew that method worked as I have used it before to sync some custom ringtones and wallpaper that I have. But it's a good reminder for everyone.

    By the way, I love that comment made in the article: "Apple removing the iTunes App store from iTunes just doesn't make any sense". I agree!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chscag View Post
    Dave:

    I just received an upgrade notice and 15% discount email from Macroplant (iExplorer developer) and haven't made up my mind if I want to upgrade and pay another $33 at the same time. Since you have both iMazing and iExplorer, is there any difference between them? I have the latest iMazing and if it does the same things that iExplorer does, I might just pass this upgrade by.
    Hi Charlie - well, I do have both apps on my MBPro & iMac, and updated to current versions - unfortunately, I've not used either much at all except to transfer some files from specific iDevice apps - also, I've made just one backup (i.e. have relied on iTunes/iCloud - at least up to this point!) and have not tried to restore - both are ready for iOS 11 and should work as advertised. I like the 'interface' of iMazing better, and MacWorld HERE provides a good review of v. 2.2 (now up to 2.4 w/ Wi-Fi added). SO, if you're up-to-date on iMazing, I believe that is all you'll need - cannot see in my limited experience that the other offers any major different options?

    Since this iTunes 12.7 development, I'll plan to start learning one of those apps much better and will start w/ iMazing, myself - sorry that I cannot be of much more help - will look forward to your comments as you use the app. Dave
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    After responding to Chscag above, I was wondering if I bought a new iPad in a few months, how would I convert from my old iPad Air 2 - easy in the past w/ an iTunes or iCloud backup - but what will Apple offer at that time (assuming that its recent iTunes release will likely be 'updated'?) - I cannot imagine that Tim Cook wants you to download all of your previous apps, one by one, to the new iDevice - and then how about the settings & data - this is an unbearable thought!

    SO, of the two previous macOS apps discussed, I looked more closely at the newest iMazing Release - there is a 'Transfer' feature that allows both the old & new iDevice to be USB wired to a computer, and then a direct conversion possible between them, as shown in the image below. I suspect that will be my approach unless Apple indeed brings out some more sensible solution(s). Dave
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    Thanks for your response Dave re: iExplorer update. I do have the latest version of iMazing (2.4) and believe I will just press on with using it to do backups. About copying your old iPad to a new one, I believe that capability still exists with the new version of iTunes. iTunes 12.7 continues to be able to make backups of your iDevices so the latest backup you have from your older iPad should be able to be used go populate the new one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chscag View Post
    @Rod:

    Please check ongoing threads before posting a new one on a subject for which a thread already exists. I moved your thread here and combined it with the one that already exists.

    Thanks.
    Thanks Chicago, I will do a search on a topic before posting what was new info to me but obviously I'm a little out of touch.
    Trying to keep up with everything with just a phone is proving to be a bit difficult.
    Great thread anyway.
    I think my biggest regret is not being able to update iOS apps on the MBP.
    Because of the unreliable internet service here in Bali I have sometimes found iOS apps disabled for a day at a time if an update stalls on the iOS app store.
    I am sure that I am not the only person living in poor reception areas or slow service areas that will miss this option particularly for large files like upgrades.

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