OS 10.6 - Bootcamp with Windows 7 Upgrade disc only ?
Hello everyone,
recent convert from a PC to a Mac here.
When i was using my Pc, in the past, after reading a detailed report from
Paul Thurrots, site for windows, i used an upgrade disc only, to install the full Vista operating system from scratch, as opposed to say "upgrading from XP".
I have a pretty new laptop at home, and i will be getting a new Windows 7 Upgrade disc, after its released on the 22nd oct.
I was my intention (if this worked), to install it on my bootcamp partition on my macbook, instead of the Pc.
I had read thru the bootcamp notes, and it stated that you cannot use an upgrade disc to do this !!.
Is this the absolute truth with Macs, or can anyone advise me if they have ever used and upgrade disc, to install an operating system on your bootcamp partition, (without, ever having installed the full origonal full OS Disc) first
The upgrade editions will only upgrade an existing install of Windows XP or Vista. There is no way to do a true clean install, although I have seen guides (Vista-specific) that can help to workaround this. Unfortunately, the process is much more stringent for Boot Camp installs and will likely introduce a few hurdles to doing this kind of an end-run.
My advice? Pick up a $99 OEM version of 7 from NewEgg.com - it's $20 off if you buy it before the 20th, and you'll be good to go.
Mac Specs: 17" MacBook Pro, 2.5 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Processor, 2 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM, not unibody
You beat me to it. I have never used (and probably will never use) Boot Camp. But I don't see why you can't just upgrade from an older Windows to Windows 7 inside that partition. But you can't install it from scratch.
However, I would like to know something. Will the Windows 7 RC still work after the full version comes out? I currently have it in a virtual machine (VirtualBox).
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You beat me to it. I have never used (and probably will never use) Boot Camp. But I don't see why you can't just upgrade from an older Windows to Windows 7 inside that partition. But you can't install it from scratch.
However, I would like to know something. Will the Windows 7 RC still work after the full version comes out? I currently have it in a virtual machine (VirtualBox).
However, I would like to know something. Will the Windows 7 RC still work after the full version comes out? I currently have it in a virtual machine (VirtualBox).
As per this page: "Please plan ahead for when the RC expires. You'll get two weeks' notice, and then beginning on March 1, 2010, your PC will start shutting down every two hours. The RC will expire on June 1, 2010. To avoid interruption, you'll need to rebuild your test PC to replace the OS with a valid version of Windows, and reinstall all your programs and data before the software expires."
Hi guys,
i am very aware about the "Official line " from Microsoft on this,
but as i said previously, they also said that you couldnt use an upgrade vista disc to perform a full install, but i have already done this using a
"upgrade only disc, by installing firstly without imputing the serial key,
then after the installation, then you insert the disc again, input the serial key this time, and upgrade to vista, this time "selecting Upgrade option", and this works perfectly.
This was using an official disc, and not a copy.
A suppose we can only hope this maybe still the case with Windows 7
I upgraded from XP. you can you just have to choose the clean install option. it will see that you had windows xp on the partition beforehand and let you use the upgrade disk to install 7.
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No we don't as that would be against the conditions of sale of the software.
I didn't realize that the Microsoft policed these forums.
Whatever i choose to do with my copy of an official software release is my business. I am not advocating it, i was only stating it may or may not be available.
Whatever i choose to do with my copy of an official software release is my business.
Not really. When you purchase software, you are purchasing a license to use it - and that means for the specific terms under which it was sold. In this case, it's an upgrade for an existing OS.
Ever notice that End-User License Agreement that you agree to be bound to when you install the OS? That's what I'm referring to.
Not long ago, this forum leaned toward protecting the terms of EULAs, although since they remain untested in the courts, we have relaxed this policy. Even still, we do not endorse breaking EULAs and we prefer that people refrain from discussing the specifics of doing so.
Of course, our long-time members are more sensitive toward this issue since it was so heavily policed in the past.
Not really. When you purchase software, you are purchasing a license to use it - and that means for the specific terms under which it was sold. In this case, it's an upgrade for an existing OS.
Ever notice that End-User License Agreement that you agree to be bound to when you install the OS? That's what I'm referring to.
Not long ago, this forum leaned toward protecting the terms of EULAs, although since they remain untested in the courts, we have relaxed this policy. Even still, we do not endorse breaking EULAs and we prefer that people refrain from discussing the specifics of doing so.
Of course, our long-time members are more sensitive toward this issue since it was so heavily policed in the past.
Ok, no problems.
As i said, in no way am i advocating any member to break the law,
This is a personal choice, that i had made
Mac Specs: MacBook 2.4 GHz, 4 Gb, 320 GB 7200 RPM WD Scorpio, OS X 10.6.2, Win 7
To silvershadow68:
You may be jumping the gun a bit too soon. When Vista was first published it was a little known fact that the upgrade version of Home Premium could "upgrade" over itself. The column you pointed out and several others quickly became popular. And, since Microsoft themselves were fully aware of it and did nothing to thwart the procedure, that said a lot....
We do not yet know whether Win 7 will behave the same way. In any event, what hasn't been pointed out to you by anyone here is the reason an upgrade can't be used is because your Mac like all other current Macs do not employ a hardware ejection system for the SuperDrive. In other words, you have no way to remove your Win 7 upgrade DVD and pop in your Vista DVD to show that you are using a legal upgrade. After Windows is installed, the software ejection will once again work - it's during the installation process that it doesn't work.
I also purchased the Win 7 upgrade. However, I intend to install it over my XP installation. And yes, contrary to what you may have read or heard, you can upgrade over XP. However, what will happen is Win 7 will remove all XP data and do a clean install of itself - but, you will not have to "prove" you're using the upgrade legally since XP will be present when you run the Win 7 install program.
You may be jumping the gun a bit too soon. When Vista was first published it was a little known fact that the upgrade version of Home Premium could "upgrade" over itself. The column you pointed out and several others quickly became popular. And, since Microsoft themselves were fully aware of it and did nothing to thwart the procedure, that said a lot....
We do not yet know whether Win 7 will behave the same way. In any event, what hasn't been pointed out to you by anyone here is the reason an upgrade can't be used is because your Mac like all other current Macs do not employ a hardware ejection system for the SuperDrive. In other words, you have no way to remove your Win 7 upgrade DVD and pop in your Vista DVD to show that you are using a legal upgrade. After Windows is installed, the software ejection will once again work - it's during the installation process that it doesn't work.
I also purchased the Win 7 upgrade. However, I intend to install it over my XP installation. And yes, contrary to what you may have read or heard, you can upgrade over XP. However, what will happen is Win 7 will remove all XP data and do a clean install of itself - but, you will not have to "prove" you're using the upgrade legally since XP will be present when you run the Win 7 install program.
Mac Specs: Intel iMac, 2.4 GHz, C2D, 4 GB RAM, OS X 10.5.7
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Originally Posted by chscag
In any event, what hasn't been pointed out to you by anyone here is the reason an upgrade can't be used is because your Mac like all other current Macs do not employ a hardware ejection system for the SuperDrive. In other words, you have no way to remove your Win 7 upgrade DVD and pop in your Vista DVD to show that you are using a legal upgrade. After Windows is installed, the software ejection will once again work - it's during the installation process that it doesn't work.
I also purchased the Win 7 upgrade. However, I intend to install it over my XP installation. And yes, contrary to what you may have read or heard, you can upgrade over XP. However, what will happen is Win 7 will remove all XP data and do a clean install of itself - but, you will not have to "prove" you're using the upgrade legally since XP will be present when you run the Win 7 install program.
Hope this clears up some of the confusion.
I have also been listening to Windows Weekly with Leo Laporte and Paul Thurrott. I have not listened to the latest podcast, but in all the previous ones they are not sure if you can do a clean install with the Windows 7 upgrade CD. Yesterday, I was thinking about canceling my order for the Windows 7 Professional upgrade. After reading your post, I changed my mind and will not cancel my order.
I'm still a little unclear on how you are going to install Windows 7 upgrade running Windows XP Pro in Apple's BC.
When you do the install can you write up some step by steps? A video would be cool, but I think I would be asking too much.:-)
