New To Mac-Forums?

Welcome to our community! Join the discussion today by registering your FREE account. If you have any problems with the registration process, please contact us!

Get your questions answered by community gurus Advice and insight from world-class Apple enthusiasts Exclusive access to members-only contests, giveaways and deals

Join today!

 
Start a Discussion
 

Mac-Forums Brief

Subscribe to Mac-Forums Brief to receive special offers from Mac-Forums partners and sponsors

Join the conversation RSS
Switcher Hangout The place for switchers to discuss their new machines, and how to work with OS X. General support can be had here for newbie stuff, like "How do I restart my new iMac?" :)

Leopard mail or Thunderbird?


Post Reply New Thread Subscribe

 
Thread Tools
Kola

 
Member Since: Dec 09, 2007
Posts: 178
Kola is on a distinguished road

Kola is offline
I hear good things about Thunderbird but how does it compare with Leopard mail?
QUOTE Thanks
mac57

 
mac57's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 29, 2006
Location: St. Somewhere
Posts: 4,560
mac57 has a brilliant futuremac57 has a brilliant futuremac57 has a brilliant futuremac57 has a brilliant futuremac57 has a brilliant futuremac57 has a brilliant futuremac57 has a brilliant futuremac57 has a brilliant futuremac57 has a brilliant futuremac57 has a brilliant futuremac57 has a brilliant future
Mac Specs: iMac 27" 3.4 GHz, 256 GB SSD, 2 TB HDD, 8 GB RAM

mac57 is offline
This is an interesting issue. Both Mail.app and Thunderbird are excellent email applications.

I don't think a direct comparison is necessarily the best way to approach this. At a very high level, Mail.app is a beautiful feature filled mail app that is well integrated with the rest of OS X. Thunderbird is a standards based multi platform (i.e. works with a wide variety of OS', hence not custom integrated to any one of them) mail app. It is also very feature filled and quite attractive in its own right, although it doesn't really exhibit a classic Mac look n feel.

Thunderbird stores its email in industry standard .mbx format. Mail.app uses a proprietary Mac format. You can convert from the one to the other with some effort, but the fact that Mail.app uses a proprietary format remains.

You can easily move your Thunderbird email boxes from Mac OS X to Windows or to Linux. It is as simple as copying one directory from its Mac location to its Windows or Linux location and you are done. I do this myself quite often, since I work in a mixed Mac, Windows and Linux environment.

On the other hand, Spotlight indexes all the contents of your mail messages, making Spotlight searches of them a breeze. This in fact is why it uses a non standard format - to enable Spotlight. Also, the Leopard version of Mail.app sports some lovely stationary - Thunderbird doesn't seem to support this yet. Odd, since as long ago as Windows ME, Outlook Express supported this very visually attractive feature.

In the end, it is up to you. If you are concerned about easy transportability of your emails, go with Thunderbird. If you are looking for excellent integration with Mac OS X, go with Mail.app. Both of them are excellent email apps. This is not a choice between good and bad, but rather between good and good.

My Macs: iMac 27" 3.4 GHz, Mac Pro 3.2 GHz, PowerMac G5 Quad 2.5 GHz, G4 Cube with 1.2 GHz Upgrade
My iStuff: 64GB iPhone 5, 64GB iPad4, 30GB iPod Video, 16GB iPod Touch
My OS': Mac OS X Lion, Mac OS X Snow Leopard, Mac OS X Tiger, Mac OS 9.2.2, openSUSE 10.3
I was on the Mac-Forums honor roll for September 2007
QUOTE Thanks
Kola

 
Member Since: Dec 09, 2007
Posts: 178
Kola is on a distinguished road

Kola is offline
Hi thanks for the reply m8.

I cant for the life of me get leopard to receive incoming mail. I have been onto my ISP and the tech support line and nothing. I have bought Office 2004 mac and heard there was an email client known as entourage on there.

I set entourage and it works straight away. Needless to say Leopard mail is now binned. Annoying to lose two hours to leopards mail. This is exactly why I switched from XP. Cant moan though as this is the first prob Ive had so far.


Incidendently the email notification re your reply to my post is the first Mac email I have ever received :]
QUOTE Thanks
Suk02Si

 
Suk02Si's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 04, 2007
Posts: 6
Suk02Si is on a distinguished road

Suk02Si is offline
Might want to look in the MS Entourage as well. I've been using an Exchange server for some time and I don't think Mail.app has full Exchange support.
QUOTE Thanks
Zoolook

 
Zoolook's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 24, 2006
Location: Brooklyn, New York
Posts: 2,751
Zoolook has much to be proud ofZoolook has much to be proud ofZoolook has much to be proud ofZoolook has much to be proud ofZoolook has much to be proud ofZoolook has much to be proud ofZoolook has much to be proud ofZoolook has much to be proud ofZoolook has much to be proud of
Mac Specs: 15" MacBook Pro, i7 2.66Ghz, 8GB RAM, 512GB SSD; iPad 3, iPhone 5

Zoolook is offline
I think Mac57's post is excellent and good advice. I'll add a few things though.

Thunderbird is something I used for almost 3 years on the PC and I had a great experience from it, but the problem is that it doesn't integrate Calendars and Tasks very well (or it didn't in 2004) and the so called 'industry standard' mbx files, are actually not that standard at all. Lotus Notes, Apple Mail, Outlook etc, none of these use it. It's standard amongst the small name email clients, most of which are awful. In fact something that always annoyed me about Thunderbird was that it was excellent and importing mail from any other client, Outlook, Outlook Express etc, but getting it to work the other way around was REALLY painful.

I use Entourage though, and whilst Entourage 2004 is a little slow thanks to Rosetta, the 2008 version (out in January) is very quick and looks a lot more Leopard like. I think it's the most complete eMail application for the Mac.

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is stoned to death.
- Joan D. Vinge

QUOTE Thanks
mac57

 
mac57's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 29, 2006
Location: St. Somewhere
Posts: 4,560
mac57 has a brilliant futuremac57 has a brilliant futuremac57 has a brilliant futuremac57 has a brilliant futuremac57 has a brilliant futuremac57 has a brilliant futuremac57 has a brilliant futuremac57 has a brilliant futuremac57 has a brilliant futuremac57 has a brilliant futuremac57 has a brilliant future
Mac Specs: iMac 27" 3.4 GHz, 256 GB SSD, 2 TB HDD, 8 GB RAM

mac57 is offline
Just a clarification to the above. Thunderbird's .mbx format fully follows the MBX standard. This makes importing of Thunderbird mail into any other standards compliant mailers a breeze.

That having been said however, I agree that importing Thunderbird (or in fact any other .mbx formatted) email into Mac Mail can be a bit of a pain. Mac Mail tends to be really picky about these things. Email boxes that are imported with no issue into other mailers fails on Mac Mail. Outlook/Entourage don't use MBX format (again, use their own proprietary format) and so importing there also tends to be an issue.

So, Zoolook raises an interesting issue. In selecting a mailer, you almost have to chose your email "domain of interest". If you want to run standard MBX formatted email, so that you can move the results around from mailer to mailer and platform to platform, you effectively restrict yourself to a set of mailers that does not include the two "biggies" in the consumer space, which are Mac Mail and Microsoft Outlook Express. If you are OK to go platform specific, you can use either of the above "biggies" and take advantage of all their bells and whistles.

There is no completely universal email solution because email client vendors have not embraced a uniform email standard. MBX format is the closest we have to a universal standard, but as the above painfully points out, it is not a universally used format.

My Macs: iMac 27" 3.4 GHz, Mac Pro 3.2 GHz, PowerMac G5 Quad 2.5 GHz, G4 Cube with 1.2 GHz Upgrade
My iStuff: 64GB iPhone 5, 64GB iPad4, 30GB iPod Video, 16GB iPod Touch
My OS': Mac OS X Lion, Mac OS X Snow Leopard, Mac OS X Tiger, Mac OS 9.2.2, openSUSE 10.3
I was on the Mac-Forums honor roll for September 2007
QUOTE Thanks
dodson914

 
Member Since: Dec 14, 2007
Location: Arlington,TX
Posts: 9
dodson914 is on a distinguished road
Mac Specs: 24" iMac 2.8ghz 4GB RAM

dodson914 is offline
I just got my iMac. I have been using the leopard mail for the past few days and like it. I used to use thunderbird. I would prefer to stay with leopard but can't seem to get leopard's mail to delete my messages from my email site. (Not sure how to word that, lol) When thunderbird pulled my email if I were to login directly to my email the messages would be gone because thunderbird had already pulled them. I would prefer leopard mail to do the same. Is this possible?

Sorry, for the hijack. I didn't want to start another thread for the question. Hope no one minds.
QUOTE Thanks
Zoolook

 
Zoolook's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 24, 2006
Location: Brooklyn, New York
Posts: 2,751
Zoolook has much to be proud ofZoolook has much to be proud ofZoolook has much to be proud ofZoolook has much to be proud ofZoolook has much to be proud ofZoolook has much to be proud ofZoolook has much to be proud ofZoolook has much to be proud ofZoolook has much to be proud of
Mac Specs: 15" MacBook Pro, i7 2.66Ghz, 8GB RAM, 512GB SSD; iPad 3, iPhone 5

Zoolook is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodson914 View Post
I just got my iMac. I have been using the leopard mail for the past few days and like it. I used to use thunderbird. I would prefer to stay with leopard but can't seem to get leopard's mail to delete my messages from my email site. (Not sure how to word that, lol) When thunderbird pulled my email if I were to login directly to my email the messages would be gone because thunderbird had already pulled them. I would prefer leopard mail to do the same. Is this possible?

Sorry, for the hijack. I didn't want to start another thread for the question. Hope no one minds.
There is a setting somewhere that specifies whether mail is deleted from the server or not, within Mail.

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is stoned to death.
- Joan D. Vinge

QUOTE Thanks
Brown Study

 
Brown Study's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 11, 2004
Location: Winnipeg
Posts: 1,964
Brown Study is a name known to allBrown Study is a name known to allBrown Study is a name known to allBrown Study is a name known to allBrown Study is a name known to allBrown Study is a name known to allBrown Study is a name known to all
Mac Specs: G4 Tiger and OS 9

Brown Study is offline
With Thunderbird, you can keep all images from appearing in the mail, including spam pix loaded with web bugs (or HTML, one or the other; it's been so long I can't recall. Can't do that with Mail that function was removed after Jaguar, if I recall, which is why, when I was running OS X (and, hopefully, will again, soon) I stuck with Thunderbird.
QUOTE Thanks
theonegod

 
theonegod's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 02, 2006
Posts: 476
theonegod has a spectacular aura about
Mac Specs: 24" 2.8ghz IMAC, MB Pro

theonegod is offline
Mail.app won't load images in mail it considers to be junk.
QUOTE Thanks
dodson914

 
Member Since: Dec 14, 2007
Location: Arlington,TX
Posts: 9
dodson914 is on a distinguished road
Mac Specs: 24" iMac 2.8ghz 4GB RAM

dodson914 is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoolook View Post
There is a setting somewhere that specifies whether mail is deleted from the server or not, within Mail.
I checked the mail preferences and couldn't find anything in there about this.

If anyone knows how to get it to do this can you please pm me or post it here. Thanks
QUOTE Thanks
cycler48

 
cycler48's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 14, 2007
Location: Southern California
Posts: 18
cycler48 is on a distinguished road

cycler48 is offline
Try opening preferences in mail, then clicking accounts and opened up advanced. There you should be able to set up m,ail so it removes messages from the server when it comes into mac mail.
QUOTE Thanks
technologist

 
Member Since: Mar 30, 2004
Location: USA
Posts: 4,744
technologist has a reputation beyond reputetechnologist has a reputation beyond reputetechnologist has a reputation beyond reputetechnologist has a reputation beyond reputetechnologist has a reputation beyond reputetechnologist has a reputation beyond reputetechnologist has a reputation beyond reputetechnologist has a reputation beyond reputetechnologist has a reputation beyond reputetechnologist has a reputation beyond reputetechnologist has a reputation beyond repute
Mac Specs: 12" Apple PowerBook G4 (1.5GHz)

technologist is offline
Incidentally, here is how to get .mbox files out of Mail.
QUOTE Thanks
dodson914

 
Member Since: Dec 14, 2007
Location: Arlington,TX
Posts: 9
dodson914 is on a distinguished road
Mac Specs: 24" iMac 2.8ghz 4GB RAM

dodson914 is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by cycler48 View Post
Try opening preferences in mail, then clicking accounts and opened up advanced. There you should be able to set up m,ail so it removes messages from the server when it comes into mac mail.
Thanks so much. I guess I never noticed the tabs on that screen. I was going crazy with this. I would read them on the computer and then 1 minute later my phone is beeping saying I have a message. Thanks again.
QUOTE Thanks

Post Reply New Thread Subscribe


« NTFS R/W on Macs...Need help | Future Owner With Questions »
Thread Tools

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Thunderbird Mail Issue. mohammed Apple Notebooks 2 12-08-2006 08:07 AM
Exporting Thunderbird messages to Mail glenninnz OS X - Apps and Games 2 11-14-2006 11:28 PM
Importing Email from Mail to Thunderbird? mac57 OS X - Apps and Games 0 06-26-2006 11:38 PM
Export Mail from Apple Mail to Thunderbird jacobonline OS X - Apps and Games 1 02-10-2006 03:31 PM
Mail Folder "exclusively locked" by user klippe OS X - Apps and Games 3 09-06-2005 07:20 PM

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:27 AM.

Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
X

Welcome to Mac-Forums.com

Create your username to jump into the discussion!

New members like you have made this community the ultimate source for your Mac since 2003!


(4 digit year)

Already a member?