05-21-2007, 07:14 PM

Dear viewer,

Surely you, along with many others, have also seen those PC versus Mac commercials. The person representing the PC is suffering from its inefficiencies, while the person representing the Mac does not. I am just a complete ''n00b'' when it comes to Macs, but these commercials make it look obvious that there is absolutly no reason to remain a PC user. Or at least, that's the imagine they are trying to convey..

Let me say that I have been using Windows for almost ten years now and I'm about to buy a new computer. Lately I've really been concidering my options and the 24 Inch Imac is one one of them.

Despite the commercials, I am absolutly terrified to switch to an unknown system. I have never used an Imac before and I'm just not sure about anything really. I have read many things about the Imac 24. Many stories that seem almost too good to be true.

But If all these stories are in fact true, then why doesn't everyone have an Imac already? Why do people prefer PC's? Surely there must be something wrong then! Does anyone have reasons why I should NOT switch to an Mac?

For instance: Are PC's not easier when it comes to changing Internal hardware such as the Hard Drive or the graphics card? You can't open the Imac just as easy as a PC. (Correct me if I'm wrong..)

Also: I've been to apple.com and I visited the configuration screen where I was able to assemble the Imac 24 inch system and.. I can't say I'm really satisfied with the Hardware they have to offer. With Videocard's such as the 8800 GTX, the 7300/7600 cards seem like a major step back.

And what about the Software? I mean.. there must be software out there that does not run on an Imac.

And come on!! No viruses? Na-ah! That's not possible. No way!
What is the reason that Macs don't get viruses? What other threats do Mac users have to face if not viruses?

Once again: I'm a complete newbie when it comes to Macs, so I don't know anything. Which is the reason why I ask these questions.

Thank you for reading and for helping out.

Sincerely,


Zora.

05-21-2007, 07:30 PM

My wife used a PC for years, and then for six more months after I got my first Mac. After expressing all of the frustrations that usually accompany Windows PCs, I finally convinced her that we should get her a Mac. I was getting tired of supporting her. She's not a technical person, she uses a computer to create art and the usual internet stuff.

I parked her in front of her new Mac Mini, showed her a few things that differed between the PC and Mac, showed her where everything was, a few concepts that were unique to the Mac as opposed to her old PC. Transferred her data over, set some things up (mundane stuff, like iTunes, her pictures, etc.), stood back, and waited, ready for the flurry of questions and tutorials.

Two weeks went by with no mention of her computer. At first I thought she wasn't using it. So I ask her how things are going with the new Mac, any questions...she says "Oh things are great! It's so intuitive and better designed than Windows. I can find where everything is, get to where I need, email, everything's fine."

I think it was a couple of months before she had to ask me anything about how to do something on Mac OS, and I couldn't tell you today what it was.

Now we both have Macbooks and she happily goes on with hers doing all the things people use computer for (chatting on the net, email, web, online finance, buying stuff from Amazon.com, getting new music from iTunes) all without any assistance from me. She never wants to go back to Windows.

The same thing happened with her brother. She showed him her computer, he went out and bought a Macbook. I offered my services again if he had any questions. He asked me perhaps three things at most. A couple of months have gone by and I was visiting him over the weekend. I ask him how things are going with the Macbook (after all, we were kind of responsible for him investing US$1500, might as well make sure I wasn't responsible for sending him into some kind of hades.) He says "oh, it's great man! I've even made a few DVD's with that iMovie." I'm all "Whoa, even I don't really know how to do that, and I work with computers for a living. You mean DVDs that you can play on your entertainment center DVD player? Not just on a computer?" "Yep, it's great...takes awhile, but it's easy."

Apple: 2
Vista: 0
Windows XP: -2

So that's my experience with quasi novice years long Windows users switching to Mac. Two of them, both wins, so to speak. As for myself? I work with all kinds of computers and different operating systems. The Great Apple Experiment of 2005 I started has been an unqualified success. I may have to work with and use Windows to make a living, but for my own personal computer I'm not going back.

05-21-2007, 07:35 PM

The iMac is not really intended to be hardware upgraded, with the possible exception of the hard drive and RAM. If you want better graphics, look at the Mac Pro line, you can upgrade almost everything in those yourself, including the processor. My wife has a 20 inch iMac and the graphics are fine for what she does with it, so it's not that big of a deal.

There is lots of non-Mac software out there, but how many CD burner Apps do you really need to choose from. A walk through the aisle at a PC store reveals 25 or 30. Which ones are good? Who knows?. There are 2 or 3 good ones for the Mac, and they all work just fine. Too much choice is not always a good thing. 90% of the PC using world just used whatever came with their machine anyway. Games are lacking on the Mac, although they are out there. The development of them is not where near the PC side, but I have a PS2 and I'm happy. That being said, with Bootcamp or Parells, you can run Windows on any Intel based Mac pretty darn well, and it's only getting better.

Viruses? Spyware? Nope, there are none. No one has written any to target OSX, so it's not a big deal. Could one be written? Sure, but it hasn't happened yet and likely won't anytime soon. I have not a run a virus App in years, and the only reason I would is to catch the nasties that I might pass on (but not be hurt by) via e-mail. Other threats? Well, someone could break into my house and steal my Mac, but that's true for anything I own as well.

Why doesn't everyone have a Mac? For the reasons you listed. Many are afraid, many don't know and many don't care. You go with what you know. Look at it this way, 95% of PC users have or will never use a Mac. 95% of all Mac users use a PC on a daily basis, yet they still choose to use the Mac as well.

OSX and Windows are very much alike. There is a learning curve and it seems to be mostly small things that get people when they start out on a Mac. It's hard to unlearn years of Windows ways of doing things, but it's not Rocket Science by any means.

05-21-2007, 07:49 PM

Hey Zora you seem very confused on what to do. So from someone who was just in your shoes about 3 months ago I hope my insight can bring you to a better decision.

First off when your configuring you iMac they may not have to most top of the line components as far as video cards are concerned, but it's not really designed around video games. It can, and will play most games so their no worry as far as that. Now it won't play these games with everything turned up, but it will get you buy. If your looking to do nothing but play games then go buy an Alienware, or Dell XPS.

As far as software Macs use to be hit hard in this area but with the introduction of Intel chips and BootCamp you can run any program if not in OS X then in Windows. You really have 2 computers when you have Windows dual booted on your system.

Viruses, this seemed to question you alot too. Even though most of all the commercials and things you read are saying "Macs don't have viruses" it's kind of true to some extent. Macs aren't plagued with the 300,000 or more viruses that Windows seems to get but that's only because as you said in your post "why doesn't everyone have an Imac already?" You just answered your own question about viruses. Most of the malicous hackers aren't designing viruses around OSX. They pick the operating system that most people have and that's Windows.

I bought an iMac 20' and I can tell you that it's one of the most beautiful and elegant machines i've ever bought. OSX will make you hate windows everything you do in it, is super easy and very efficent. You will love OSX, the effects and way of presenting you the information is outstanding.

Another thing that should influence you is the support that you get from Applecare. The first time i had my iMac I loaded everything up and put all my programs I wanted on it and It was running beautifully, I then decided to try that bootcamp up and install Windows XP just to play games if I wanted to. Well, once i started to install Windows something went wrong and I messed up the hard drive somehow. Anyway, I called Applecare and they took care of it and set me up with appointment @ my local store in Dallas. I drove their they double checked the system 10 mins later I was on the road home with a brand new system. Their support is wonderful and they actually know what their talking about.

Zora this is only a taste of what Mac is about, I can promise you it was the smartest thing I have done. It's a wonderful operating system and a beautiful peice of machinary. I hope this can help you in your decision. If you have any more questions don't fret just ask! Good LUCK!!

05-21-2007, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Zora

Dear viewer,

Surely you, along with many others, have also seen those PC versus Mac commercials. The person representing the PC is suffering from its inefficiencies, while the person representing the Mac does not. I am just a complete ''n00b'' when it comes to Macs, but these commercials make it look obvious that there is absolutly no reason to remain a PC user. Or at least, that's the imagine they are trying to convey..

Well, if it seems too good to be true . . .

The ads are kinda dumb, but despite that, there's no reason not to become a Mac user.

Let me say that I have been using Windows for almost ten years now and I'm about to buy a new computer. Lately I've really been concidering my options and the 24 Inch Imac is one one of them.

Despite the commercials, I am absolutly terrified to switch to an unknown system. I have never used an Imac before and I'm just not sure about anything really. I have read many things about the Imac 24. Many stories that seem almost too good to be true.

There is a learning curve, for sure. You're as much unlearning Windows as learning OSX, but if you're competent with Windows, you'll get the hang of it easily enough. I used Windows for 10 years before I got a Mac (I still use it), there were things that drove me nuts for a while, but I'm pretty much at peace with it now. Don't worry, you'll be fine

But If all these stories are in fact true, then why doesn't everyone have an Imac already? Why do people prefer PC's? Surely there must be something wrong then! Does anyone have reasons why I should NOT switch to an Mac?

It has traditionally been about price. PCs tend to be lower spec than Macs - if they just have to grind out documents and spreadsheets in an office, you don't need much. Macs and equivalent PCs aren't so much different in price, but Apple don't make very low end cheap boxes like PC manufacturers do. Consequently Windows took a vast lead. When you have to buy 2,000 machines, you tend to look at price very carefully. People who used Windows in the office bought Windows to use at home.

For instance: Are PC's not easier when it comes to changing Internal hardware such as the Hard Drive or the graphics card? You can't open the Imac just as easy as a PC. (Correct me if I'm wrong..)

Not really - you can get at most of the components on a Mac that you need to. They're really very well designed and engineered. For sure things are tucked away more than they are on a PC, but unless you're planning to start resoldering resistors on the motherbaord, there's nothing you can't get at.

Also: I've been to apple.com and I visited the configuration screen where I was able to assemble the Imac 24 inch system and.. I can't say I'm really satisfied with the Hardware they have to offer. With Videocard's such as the 8800 GTX, the 7300/7600 cards seem like a major step back.

Could be. If your priority is a top of the line graphics card, and the Mac doesn't have one, might be a problem

And what about the Software? I mean.. there must be software out there that does not run on an Imac.

All new Macs have Intel chips now. They will run just about any Windows software. It actually the reverse - Mac software won't run on Windows.

And come on!! No viruses? Na-ah! That's not possible. No way!
What is the reason that Macs don't get viruses? What other threats do Mac users have to face if not viruses?

So far, none. OSX is based on a completely different architecture to Windows. It is based around a Unix type OS, which is notoriously difficult to break into. That's not to say you can't get 'hacked', where a person gets access to your machine, but so far no viruses.


Once again: I'm a complete newbie when it comes to Macs, so I don't know anything. Which is the reason why I ask these questions.

Glad to help. Do it - you'll have a few doubts for a week or two as you come to terms with OSX, then you'll never look back.

Thank you for reading and for helping out.

Sincerely,


Zora.

See bold above.

[edit] Oh - just a point - if you run Windows on the Mac, it's just as liable to get a virus as any other Windows machine. You'll need Antivirus for the Windows partition, but that won't affect OSX.

05-21-2007, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by Zora

And come on!! No viruses? Na-ah! That's not possible. No way!
What is the reason that Macs don't get viruses?

Click here, then on the link in the third post.

What other threats do Mac users have to face if not viruses?

Lack of sleep because of the "just one more" customizing tweak.

05-21-2007, 11:23 PM

Zora,

Welcome to the Forums.

I am a recent switcher myself and I couldn't be happier. I was worried at first but let me tell ya, Mac OSX is so awesome and easy to use it will blow ur mind away and u r gonna enjoy it Guaranteed.

I cant really add much to what the fine folks mentioned above they just hit it right on the spot all of them are true and again I have been using Windows for over 12 yrs and I really don't miss a thing from it.

MACS ROCK through and through

05-22-2007, 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by MinaMACMan

Zora,

Welcome to the Forums.

I am a recent switcher myself and I couldn't be happier. I was worried at first but let me tell ya, Mac OSX is so awesome and easy to use it will blow ur mind away and u r gonna enjoy it Guaranteed.

I cant really add much to what the fine folks mentioned above they just hit it right on the spot all of them are true and again I have been using Windows for over 12 yrs and I really don't miss a thing from it.

MACS ROCK through and through

Completely agree. Make the switch though. I did and I'm loving it.

05-22-2007, 03:44 AM

Alright, you people have managed to convince me to some point.

However, one thing still bothers me to no end. The graphics card.
I am a art student so I really need a computer which is capable of handling
programs such as ''Maya'' or ''Max3D''. I'm just not sure if the Geforce 7300/7600 is going to do the job. What do you guys think?

Is there a possibility to order an Imac 24 with let's say.. a Nvidia Geforce 8800 GTX card?

I also don't think that the 7300/7600 cards support DirectX 10. Look, gaming isn't everything, but I'd like to have options, you know? I don't like the idea that I'll eventually end up with something low-end which isn't replaceable.

05-22-2007, 03:55 AM

My advice is to check out Youtube! I typed in "apple mac" and "macbook" and found some reviews from normal computer users, teenagers, businessmen, designers, artists. I even watched the videos from the Apple conferences and found them amazingly interesting, and it was a fantastic way to really get my teeth into Mac OS X and see what the big deal was.

And nothing beats heading on down to an Apple store and telling a Genius you'd like to have a play on a Mac please. When I went, they are SO nice and helpful and gladly talked me through a lot of the basics.

I find Macs SO friendly and easy to use, without being simplistic. Don't be afraid!

05-22-2007, 04:32 AM

The GeForce 7600GT is a cracking card and you can choose to upgrade it to 256Mb. I don't know why not 512Mb since the GeForce 6800 in my PC has that much memory, but there you go.

Whilst the iMac is a top machine, the Mac Pro is designed for professional applications that tax the system, such as Maya and Final Cut. It is upgradable like a PC. It's a bit pricey, but have you had a look?

05-22-2007, 04:42 AM

I looked up Maya's system requirements and found a page with hardware qualifications. There is only one problem you will face with the 7300/7600 on the iMac:

Model: Nvidia 7300 GT/7600 GT
OS X Version: 10.4.8

Limitations and Solutions

Limitation: Shadows do not render properly in the Hardware Renderer or the High Quality Viewport.
Solution: None

Limitation: CV's do not show up on NURBS objects
Solution: None

So if that seriously affects you, then you may have a bit of a problem and may have to go with the Mac Pro for its X1900XT (which has no limitations). If not, then you should feel totally confident purchasing an iMac.

05-22-2007, 04:59 AM

At the end of the day Zora, you will have to make up your own mind. Go to a PC forum and they will tell you Mac's are crap, go to a Mac forum and they will tell you PC's are crap.
I am on my first Mac, and so far, couldn't be happier. That not to say that I wouldn't mind Office for Mac and a couple of other programs being more like the PC ones.
I can tell you that the quality of Mac's, and I suspect the engineering forthought that goes into them, IS superior to any PC I have ever had. I have a Mac Book Pro at home, use a Mac Pro with everything (including great graphics card, multiple drives, buckets of ram, and 2 HD cinema displays) at work, and tried an old eMac before I switched. still have to use regular PC's at work as well, but the Mac's seem just soooooo much nicer. So don't be afraid.....be like Nike....Just Do It.

05-22-2007, 05:54 AM

I can't really add much to this whole debate. I just know that I swithced for no other reason than I wanted to try a Mac and I had the money at the time.

That said I have loved it beacause it forced me to learn a new way to work which I found refreashing. I don't game much so A state of the art graphic card isn't a must have for me. I just purchased the best one I could choose from.

I was also very sceptical about the virus thing. However 8 months with no problems so far.

In the end it's up to you....

05-22-2007, 07:35 AM

Heh, the worst part is, if you require a better video card and still want one, you're going to have to wait for a hardware update.

OS X doesn't support direct X at all if I remember correctly. You have to have a full copy of windows and install it to have an OS that supports Direct X at all.