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    Unhappy Mass File Management - About to switch back...
    I am a recent convert (January 07) and love my 15" MBP in many many ways. However, I'm about to sell it and go back to windows, and heres why:

    I'm a student, but as a part time job I sell cars on eBay for a local car dealer. I have an html template written that includes 56 pictures of each vehicle, named [400 (1).jpg] through [400 (56).jpg]. The order of these pictures is vital, and its not always possibly for me to take the pictures in the order I need them to end up in.

    Under WinXP, I would simply open a folder window with all the pictures for a particular car, drag and drop them into order from left to right and top to bottom, select all of them, and rename the first one 400; the rest of the files would consistantly be renamed in the same way. I could upload the folder, do a text replace for the folder name, and in 30 seconds all the pictures would be where I wanted them.

    With OSX, I have found no way to do such a mass renaming of files. I bought Aperture, but when you export a picture set all semblence of order is lost - which is the most assinine thing I've ever heard of. I tried using A Better Finder's renaming utility, but I cannot control visually the orders of the pictures. File Sorter 1.7 Carbon has the same issue. It boggles my mind that such a great OS has such a poor multiple file management utility set.

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    Doesn't Automator do this?

    How about this: http://automatorworld.com/archives/batch-rename/
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    Not really
    That still doesn't allow my to visually arrange the pictures and then rename them in the order they are up on my screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newmacmike View Post
    That still doesn't allow my to visually arrange the pictures and then rename them in the order they are up on my screen.
    That was my first thought as well. I know what you're talking about, and I've had the same problem/question myself.

    Let's hope someone with more Mac experience than I has another suggestion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cwa107 View Post
    Let's hope someone with more Mac experience than I has another suggestion.
    *Oh crap, wrong room...*

    I've never knew you could do that on Windows XP, anyways not 100% how this works but could you try this.

    Because OSX is automatically sorting them in the Show View Options have you tried turning that off, putting them in the order you require and then using the utilities above?

    So Press Apple + J
    Uncheck the Keep Arranged by
    Check Snap to Grid
    Then Close that Windo

    Again I've never had to do this but it might be worth a try as I assume the Auto-Sorting is what is preventing you from putting them in the order you want them in. Just a thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIG D 04 View Post
    *Oh crap, wrong room...*

    I've never knew you could do that on Windows XP, anyways not 100% how this works but could you try this.

    Because OSX is automatically sorting them in the Show View Options have you tried turning that off, putting them in the order you require and then using the utilities above?

    So Press Apple + J
    Uncheck the Keep Arranged by
    Check Snap to Grid
    Then Close that Windo

    Again I've never had to do this but it might be worth a try as I assume the Auto-Sorting is what is preventing you from putting them in the order you want them in. Just a thought.
    Yes, I've tried that. The problem is that whatever I'm using to rename doesn't care how the files are arranged on the screen, either sorting the files alphanumerical or just doing it randomly.

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    Is your MBP an intel? If so would working in bootcamp (XP) be a suitable option? Then you can still have the best of both worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the8thark View Post
    Is your MBP an intel? If so would working in bootcamp (XP) be a suitable option? Then you can still have the best of both worlds.
    Yes, its an intel, but booting into XP to rename files is far from an elegant solution. Its quicker to do what I'm currently doing, which is renaming files on a WinXP desktop then transferring to my MBP, but that is also far from elegant.

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    Wow... is this a case of "the PC beats the Mac"?

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    Just tried doing it myself, that is fairly annoying. You assume someone must of came across this problem before and created some kind of Application to sort it out.
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    Adobe Bridge does this kind of thing.

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    You may download and give this a spin (the program's called "A Better Finder Rename"):
    http://publicspace.net/ABetterFinderRename/

    Installing one simple little app is a lot quicker than an OS swap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexis View Post
    Adobe Bridge does this kind of thing.
    Can someone confirm this? Is there some way I can check for sure [a trail version perhaps?] I have no problem shelling out the money for CS3 when it comes out if it'll do what I want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durandel View Post
    You may download and give this a spin (the program's called "A Better Finder Rename"):
    http://publicspace.net/ABetterFinderRename/

    Installing one simple little app is a lot quicker than an OS swap.
    You'll notice in my original post I said A Better Finder renaming utility doesn't do what I want - it doesn't care what order the files are on your screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newmacmike View Post
    I am a recent convert (January 07) and love my 15" MBP in many many ways. However, I'm about to sell it and go back to windows, and heres why:

    I'm a student, but as a part time job I sell cars on eBay for a local car dealer. I have an html template written that includes 56 pictures of each vehicle, named [400 (1).jpg] through [400 (56).jpg]. The order of these pictures is vital, and its not always possibly for me to take the pictures in the order I need them to end up in.

    Under WinXP, I would simply open a folder window with all the pictures for a particular car, drag and drop them into order from left to right and top to bottom, select all of them, and rename the first one 400; the rest of the files would consistantly be renamed in the same way. I could upload the folder, do a text replace for the folder name, and in 30 seconds all the pictures would be where I wanted them.

    With OSX, I have found no way to do such a mass renaming of files. I bought Aperture, but when you export a picture set all semblence of order is lost - which is the most assinine thing I've ever heard of. I tried using A Better Finder's renaming utility, but I cannot control visually the orders of the pictures. File Sorter 1.7 Carbon has the same issue. It boggles my mind that such a great OS has such a poor multiple file management utility set.
    What you are relying on here is at best an unintended feature of XPs poor file management and at worst a bug!

    What you have basically told the file system to do is name a selection of files with exactly the same name, in order to protect you from your own stupidity the file system has appended an identifier to the name based upon the order it processes the files.

    On a single threaded file system like XP this will exhibit the behaviour you describe and which you are relying on but in a multi threaded file system (which Microsoft may have provided in Vista - see below) and especially in a multi-core system the numbering will be all over the shop as the file renaming will process in parallel.

    I tried out this "feature" on Vista and it does still work on the 32 bit Basic version under Parallels but when I tried it on the 32 bit Premium version on my AMD dual core system the results were sporadic to say the least. Presumably Parallels is simulating the single threaded file system of old rather than allowing Vista to multi thread, thus ensuring maximum compatibility with older applications.

    A "proper" file system will never allow duplicate filenames and unfortunately for you the file system underlying OS X is just about the most "proper" one on the planet.

    Maybe it's time to learn Perl and write script to do this task properly?

    (Alternatively fork out some dosh for Parallels and keep a small XP installation to do this for you, you can even drag and drop files between OS X and XP under Parallels)

    Amen-Moses

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