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Forum will not maintain spacing I set up, but you will get the point.

Putting this up in this forum, because as a newb to MAC, this is the kind of info I like to read about.

Let me say also that as a long time gamer, my current desktop machine is the first computer I have had for longer than a year. It will be 3 years old in Feb. As many of you long time computer geeks know, that is about when processor capabilties really slowed to a crawl in comparison to what we had been seeing for years.

Decided to back up a dual layer DVD to a single layer disk since this is really time consuming. The equipment:
System 1) MacBook Pro: 2.33 Core2Duo, 2 Gig running OS X
System 2) The same - running XP Pro via Bootcamp
System 3) My 3 year old homebuilt desktop with a P4 3.4 Ghz running at stock speed, 1 Gig top end Corsair

Video card shouldn't have any factor here but for those that may wonder they are fairly equivalent, the ATI X1600 w/256 and an ATI X800 XL w/256
And of course the SuperDrive in the MBP, says it is burning at 6x; and 3 year old burner in my desktop, maxes out at 4x for DVD -R.

So for the time comparisons:

System 1) Mack the Ripper - 1 hour 1 minute, gave up here and did no more on this system. For those that don't know, at this point you only have a ripped DVD and you still are going to need to re-encode to get it to fit the single layer disk.

System 2) DVD Shrink - low grade analysis and encode - 26 minutes
- deep analysis and encode - 47 minutes
- burn disk at 6x with Nero - 18min 20sec

System 3) DVD Shrink - low grade analysis and encode - 13 minutes
- deep analysis and encode - 25 minutes
- burn disk at 4x with Nero - 14min 42 sec

Other interesting Notes: Top speed measured during analysis
System 2 System 3
Rate 4531 KB/s 8133 KB/s
Analysis frames/second 129.1 266.5

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Just in case you were wondering, a week in, and I still love my Mac.
Definitely, not givin it up for a Dell or HP.

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You are definitely right on ripping DVD's. My solution right now is rip them on my PC to a USB 2.0 external drive, then encode to MP4 on my mac (Handbrake has performed flawlessly thusfar, and takes only a minute or so longer than the PC... it's the rip from DVD to HDD that the mac suffers).

I think a lot of it, at least in my case, is that I'm comparing a desktop with a lapop (mac mini)... with laptop components (5400RPM HDD), so it isn't a very fair comparison.


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You are definitely right on ripping DVD's. My solution right now is rip them on my PC to a USB 2.0 external drive, then encode to MP4 on my mac (Handbrake has performed flawlessly thusfar, and takes only a minute or so longer than the PC... it's the rip from DVD to HDD that the mac suffers).

I think a lot of it, at least in my case, is that I'm comparing a desktop with a lapop (mac mini)... with laptop components (5400RPM HDD), so it isn't a very fair comparison.
Why are you ripping to the desktop and then using Handbrake? I usually, with a few exceptions, rip directly from the DVD.

Also, what are you using to rip to the desktop? MTR can usually rip a fill 7 Gb DVD to my desktop in 15-20 min max.


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I sometimes rip direct from my Windows share.
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Why are you ripping to the desktop and then using Handbrake? I usually, with a few exceptions, rip directly from the DVD.

Also, what are you using to rip to the desktop? MTR can usually rip a fill 7 Gb DVD to my desktop in 15-20 min max.
I'm ripping using dual-pass @ 1000Kbps, mainly for viewing on my comp and export to the TV. It's reasonably quick to rip from DVD to HDD in a smaller resolution and lower quality for iPod, but it is a near 2 hour process to do this on the Mac at higher resolution.


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I think a lot of it, at least in my case, is that I'm comparing a desktop with a lapop (mac mini)... with laptop components (5400RPM HDD), so it isn't a very fair comparison.
Think you are right, one of the other items I compared was processor usage. My desktop was zipping along between 65 & 100%, probably averaging 80-90. The MBP was only running about 25% and occasionally hitting maybe 35%. DVD Shrink is quite capable of using multiple processors, so think this would have to be related to the read & write time of the hard drive.

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Also keep in mind that MTR 2.6.6 is not a Universal Binary. It's running in emulation on your Mac so that may account for some of the slowdown. I can tell you that 2.6.6 will use all of the processor power it can get on my quad and will average up to 75% on all 4 processors simultaneously.

I believe the forthcoming MTR 3.0 will be Universal so performance on the Intel Macs should increase.


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Totally... With MacTheRipper v3 the whole thing is worlds faster. Don't know which movie you tried to rip. The Simpsons Movie (little less than 6 gig) was copied in 23 minutes. I guess the largest DVD-DL should take no more than 50 min. Then recompressed it using toast, that took about 25 min. C'm ONNNNN!!!
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over 2 yr old post - looks like I didn't even know the difference between MAC and Mac yet. lol

btw, between mtr 3 and a 7200 rpm drive that 1 hour and 1 min time is down to 23 1/2 minutes.
still twice as long as DVDShrink on my now 5 yr old P4 though since it rips and re-encodes to fit on a single layer disk in that same period of time.

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