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    Quote Originally Posted by bishopazrael
    And here's my problem with people spouting off about NTFS.

    Yeah yeah we all know its better. But I know something you guys dont. I've had to live with people asking why they cant drag a file from the Mac desktop to the windows folder of choice, and when explained that they put the drive in NTFS, they get all bent out of shape that someone should have said soemthing aobut that ahead of time!

    I'm trying to give advice to people who probably dont know too much about windows, or know just enough to be dangerous. And guess what, they're ALL going to want FAT32. WHY? because they're going to want to write to that drive, sure as frack, and when they cant they'll come here and post and complain about it. If they know up front, then they'll put it in fat32 and be happy, future problems avoided.

    I know... its against the PC Tech Ordinance 112.7 sub section b paragraph 2 line 1 that says "Thou shalt not confer upon mere mortals, any knowledge beforehand that could prevent them from having to call you later".

    Im so sick of techs that let people walk into a problem only so THEY can solve it and look like the geek of the year.

    Come on you guys, its common sense. Think 4 steps ahead and think, well what are they gonna want to do once they get windows installed? You solve that, and THEN you're doing a favor to your family/ friends/ neighbors/ customers who are switching over and using bootcamp. The fact that I have to chide you guys about this does not speak well of you guys. You should know better.
    And here's my problem with people coming in here and spouting off about things and thinking they're the final authority on the subject. No one was advising anyone to use NTFS instead of FAT32. baggs asked why we chose to use NTFS, so we told him. If you want to tell your customers to use FAT32, knock yourself out. The Boot Camp manual talks about NTFS vs. FAT32 and if people can't RTFM then they can do it over again after they screw it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dohidied
    And here's my problem with people coming in here and spouting off about things and thinking they're the final authority on the subject. No one was advising anyone to use NTFS instead of FAT32. baggs asked why we chose to use NTFS, so we told him. If you want to tell your customers to use FAT32, knock yourself out. The Boot Camp manual talks about NTFS vs. FAT32 and if people can't RTFM then they can do it over again after they screw it up.

    Nice. Thanks for participating. Did I hit a soft spot? :dummy:

    So whats the problem with someone coming in here and putting out what they know from hard expierience? Would you prefer that some folks HAD that aggravation? I bet you would Come on.. admit it... you're one of those type of guys... Just for the record, what was your complaint? I posted something that I had gotten pm's or emails about and thought I'd post it for the whole board. People obviously want to know how a REAL tech does it. You clearly have not been asked. So thanks for your time. By the way, when's the last time you charged someone $80 and hour? What? Never? Well then, lets just leave it at this. People asked. I posted. I responded and gave people the standard spiel about the best way to set up their macbook if they're going to use bootcamp. What exactly did I say that got under your skin that you felt the need to come in here to this thread and spout off about telling me where to get off?

    :::edit::: ahh.. You're from Petuluma. That explains it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baggss
    So my next question is for the OP, how did you format the partition? Did you allow Windows to do it?

    Sorry if these questions are getting annoying, but I want to know what I am doing before I go into this process.
    Baggss,
    if memory serves, it (bootcamp) partitions the drive then formats it for you. Since it ONLY does FAT32, the drive is partitioned and formatted in FAT32 by bootcamp. Once you get into the installer for xp it'll ask you if you want to format the drive in fat32 (some installs will, some will not) or NTFS or if you want to leave the file system alone. Just leave it alone and go ahead and install windows and you'll be fine. When you get back to OS X, there'll be an XP drive on your desktop in addition to your normal Tiger hard drive. Hope that helps clear it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dohidied
    And here's my problem with people coming in here and spouting off about things and thinking they're the final authority on the subject. No one was advising anyone to use NTFS instead of FAT32. baggs asked why we chose to use NTFS, so we told him. If you want to tell your customers to use FAT32, knock yourself out. The Boot Camp manual talks about NTFS vs. FAT32 and if people can't RTFM then they can do it over again after they screw it up.
    And for the record I wasn't talking about ANYONE in here, I was being general. I'm sorry if that got your panties in a bunch.

    Like I said, I was writing for the average person. You clearly feel yourself to be above the average person since you figure everyone can just RTFM and learn from that. In a perfect world, that'd be fine but its not. You know as well as I do that there are some people who are not so tech savy as you or I. They're average, and then there are others who will just rush blindly in and do it without reading anything.

    I was posting those hints for those that wanted them and wanted to take advantage of someone else's knowledge. Clearly some here did not know what the difference was and it was addressed.

    NTFS worked for you. Good for you. Hooray beer! However since I've set up more than just one person I thought I'd try and keep someone from bashing their head into the keyboad in frustration that they formatted in NTFS. Why be offended when I was clearly not talking about ANYONE specific, and was just trying to help the guys with questions?

    Jesus, every time I post here, half my posts are posts defending my orignial posts. You guys are way too defensive about someone else coming into your little clique here and giving an alternative opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bishopazrael
    Baggss,
    if memory serves, it (bootcamp) partitions the drive then formats it for you. Since it ONLY does FAT32, the drive is partitioned and formatted in FAT32 by bootcamp. Once you get into the installer for xp it'll ask you if you want to format the drive in fat32 (some installs will, some will not) or NTFS or if you want to leave the file system alone. Just leave it alone and go ahead and install windows and you'll be fine. When you get back to OS X, there'll be an XP drive on your desktop in addition to your normal Tiger hard drive. Hope that helps clear it up.

    Perfecto!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bishopazrael
    And for the record I wasn't talking about ANYONE in here, I was being general.
    Yes you were. "The fact that I have to chide you guys about this does not speak well of you guys. You should know better."

    Listen, it's nice of you to make a thread with advice about buying a notebook. Thanks for educating people about the subject. But there's no need to tell us that we should know better than to talk about NTFS.

    Quote Originally Posted by bishopazrael
    :::edit::: ahh.. You're from Petuluma. That explains it.
    Dude, you live in New Mexico. Let's not go there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dohidied
    Yes you were. "The fact that I have to chide you guys about this does not speak well of you guys. You should know better."

    Listen, it's nice of you to make a thread with advice about buying a notebook. Thanks for educating people about the subject. But there's no need to tell us that we should know better than to talk about NTFS.



    Dude, you live in New Mexico. Let's not go there.

    If you read the whole thread...yeah ...you were getting chided for .... :::sigh::: I give up. Your right. Im wrong.

    Whatever.

    And what woudl you know about NM? Whats that? Nothing? I've lived in LA so I know Petuluma people. Dont act like you dont know ... you know.

    What is it about new mexico? Please I want to know seeing as I just moved here from Portland.

    Look let me end this right here. I made the thread to help. Your attitude came in with the whole NTFS thing. You've been misreading my words since the first post. Your attitude about it is clear.

    RTFM (for those that dont know thats Read the Fracking Manual) and just STFU if you have problems along the way. That was clearly your attitude about the whole thing. I can quote you if you like.

    My point was, you guys can tell people all day long you used NTFS, but you should KNOW that when you talk to average people, to tell them, look you can read NTFS, but you cant write to it, and thats a big difference. Why should you tell someone that? Why wouldnt you? If they're going to want to look at that drive, clearly the temptation is going to be there to write to it as well. Do I have to spell that out for you? Its about common courtesy to someone who might not know as much as you. Does it really bother you to have to tell someone that?

    Yeah, now I AM talking about you. WHats with that anyways? RTFM and STFU. Nice. Real nice. I dont have a problem with NTFS. Its great. But you know, or should know from being in this forum.. how many times have you told people, use the search function? You should know from that that no matter how many times you say it someone will ask. And when they ask, what does that tell you? That people will always want to know....

    Look, you clearly dont have the interpersonal social skills so I'm going to just block you from here on out. I'm not really interested in anything you have to say because clearly you want it your way, thats it, and there is no other, and if someone does bring up the other, how dare them say you're wrong. And so I'm clear, I never said you were wrong, or anyone else for that matter. All I did was point out that NTFS is not writtable in OS X. I never slammed anyone for using it. Just for them leaving out the glaring obvious fact that it cant be written to. That was my beef. If you leave it out, you're lying by ommission.

    Jesus, please stop it, you're making yourself look bad.

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    Whoa, you people really need to tone it down. No reason for the bickering. And I'm sure you all live in wonderful places too. :eek: Now, let's continue on with the geek speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iWhat
    Whoa, you people really need to tone it down. No reason for the bickering. And I'm sure you all live in wonderful places too. :eek: Now, let's continue on with the geek speak.
    works for me. Thanks for stepping in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bishopazrael
    I never slammed anyone for using it. Just for them leaving out the glaring obvious fact that it cant be written to. That was my beef. If you leave it out, you're lying by ommission.
    Right....except my first reply in this thread was, "OS X can read NTFS partitions, it just can't write to them." Which part of that was lying by ommision? Listen man, my intention was not to start a flame war. I think we've both misunderstood some things said by the other and overreacted. I'm done.

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