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Blue and white G3s are all well and good... but no AGP for better graphics card, slower bus speed (66MHz), buggy IDE controllers in some of them, not as expandable processor wise and so forth. But they aren't all bad by any means, but the G4 was a huge leap forward from the G3; more than the number change and speeds would indicate.

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yea i changed my post about that, i still want a b&w for myself though for no real reason other than i like the looks
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They're definitely are striking! I remember some freelance work I did for Future Publishing a few years back (around 99/00) and they had brand new B&W G3s then; they looked awesome.

I don't like the bondi blue as much now; but it is still OK compared to most.

That G4 you point out is the same as the one I picked up in excellent condition but in the one I got it had a 40GB hard disk and a few other minor differences, got it for £135—shows those who have patience!

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The B&W is a nice looking machine to be sure. It's a bit slow though and like Lil pointed out, you can not upgrade it anywhere near as far as a Graphite G4.


I bought a B&W for the same reason, just to have one and mess with it. If anyone gets a B&W be SURE to get one with a Rev 2 motherboard. It will save you lots of headaches with the Hard Drive controler.

Lil, thanks for posting the other advantages of the Digital Audio. I was in a hurry left all that info out. It makes upgrading a lot easier.
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I would recommend an iMac G4 for your needs. They can be had for fair prices (I've seen them going for as low as $325 US), and are great machines. I personally think that it'll be a much better investment than an iMac G3.

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I would recommend an iMac G4 for your needs. They can be had for fair prices (I've seen them going for as low as $325 US), and are great machines. I personally think that it'll be a much better investment than an iMac G3.
As much as I would love a G4 iMac, they have been recently going for £350-£450 (I'm in the UK) for a 15", 700MHz with 512mb/40GB. It does have a screen, but the actual machines aren't that upgradable.

I'm pretty sure that a G4 would be best for me, because a 400MHz one with basic 128mb ram and 20GB hdd would be fine (with an old crt temporarily) for when I first get it and just get to grips with OSX. Then I can upgrade as I earn more money. TAlso, there don't seem to be many digital audio ones, just graphites (and quicksilvers/mirror drive doors for £500+).

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Here is a nice Digital Audio. Low Buy It Now price for it's Specs.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-PowerMac-G...QQcmdZViewItem
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Hmm, that does look good.
Shame I don't have a job yet, need to get some money in.

Also, I am in the UK, and I'm not sure whether they'd ship from the US (and it would probably cost a lot).

I'm not really in a position to buy at the moment (just gathering advice), so prices may fall in the next few months.

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An iMac G4 or PowerMac G4 would be even better. You could easily upgrade the G4 to be a speedy machine for not too much money. You could also go for a mini, but I personally don't like the first revisions of hardware and even then would only consider the Core Duo. Maybe a used PPC G4 mini?

Anyway, I'm sure you will have a blast when you get your Mac. Its a "Brave New World" and us mac people are all "Blood Brothers"

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Yeah, a PowerMac G4 looks to be the best, because minis can't be upgraded much as they use laptop components (HDD/Optical drive).

My laptop seems to be running slower every day (time for a reformat very soon- again!) and I can't wait to get a Mac.

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ive used the g4 emac 1.2 ghz with 256 mb of ram they are pretty fast and are not too expencive
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Good suggestion, the eMac looks quite attractive now, considering the 'whole package'- £250 for a 750MHz G4, 40GB HDD, 256mb RAM, CD-ROM, OS 10.3 and a 17" screen.

I should be able to upgrade the HDD to 200GB, RAM to 1GB and optical drive to a DVDRW/Superdrive and it should be quite good? I suppose the GPU/CPU isn't upgradable though.

Hmm, seems like I have an alternative to the PowerMac G4 now.

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The eMac isn't a bad option at all; I used to use one when I worked at an AppleCentre and it was a pretty nice Mac all considered; that and the CRT was fairly decent at 1280x960.

The hard disk and optical drive are a big job to change though, my only warning really; since you will have the CRT to deal with and you have to be ever ever so careful, did I say be careful? You really have to be careful working next to the CRT -- I cannot say this enough! Those things carry very high voltages even when powered off. You may already know this though!

However, indeed -- the eMac is a good machine; and the Mac I am seriously considering getting my parents.

If you can wait though, it may pay off to get the 1.42GHz eMac; as it has a 64MB Radeon 9600 (not too miserable, but not amazing), most have superdrives and a decent sized hard disk in the first place. At least then you would have the top end eMac... Depends how long you wish to wait.

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Yeah, I need to actually FIND a job and start saving (which would be at least 4 months). At least then I'd be able to get a better spec model.

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