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You can't keep a good man down, I guess. What do I have to do to get my MacBook to turn off? Apparently there's that scary virus going around, so I thought I'd upload the latest virus-fighting stuff. To do that, I need to turn off the 'book. I keep getting to the rectangle that asks, "Are you sure you want to shut down your computer now?" And I'm like, yeah, let's do it. Everything disappears except the desktop photo. I think there's some way to strangle the computer, isn't there, by holding down three keys the way Dr. Spock would do that thing to people at the base of their neck?

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I hear you got a PhD. How can a smart guy like you not know how to turn off a computer?



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If it's not shutting down, there must be something from preventing it from doing so.

Click on the Apple logo, and force close any apps that are running (if normal app closing won't do it), then try to shut down.

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If it's not shutting down, there must be something from preventing it from doing so.

Click on the Apple logo, and force close any apps that are running (if normal app closing won't do it), then try to shut down.
Thank-you, Chuckoir. The problem is that I already clicked on the Apple, but now there's no apple, as Eve said, licking her lips. It's just the desktop, with no icons or words. I can move the mouse around and dig into the edges and corners, but still nothing.
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You'll have to hard shutdown then. Hold the Power button until it shuts off.

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Stretch: You'll have to hard shutdown then. Hold the Power button until it shuts off...

aging elderly: Thanks Stretch! That did it. That was the Dr. Spock strangle thing that I couldn't quite remember. For folks like me, it's counter-intuitive to keep pressing what feels like the on button, ignoring the computer's polite question...feels like strangling. But it had to be done. Then I quickly updated my Java for Mac software [OS X 10.5 Udate 10 version 1], feeling like a pro. Supposedly Macs are in some danger this week, according to the article below. Are other people worried about this?

Widespread Virus Proves Macs Are No Longer Safe From Hackers - NYTimes.com
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Stretch: You'll have to hard shutdown then. Hold the Power button until it shuts off...

aging elderly: Thanks Stretch! That did it. That was the Dr. Spock strangle thing that I couldn't quite remember. For folks like me, it's counter-intuitive to keep pressing what feels like the on button, ignoring the computer's polite question...feels like strangling. But it had to be done. Then I quickly updated my Java for Mac software [OS X 10.5 Udate 10 version 1], feeling like a pro. Supposedly Macs are in some danger this week, according to the article below. Are other people worried about this?
So far it looks like more of the same overblown reporting based on promptings from AV firms trying to market their product.

There is obviously a Malware risk from Trojans, but I haven't seen any actual reports of anyone who has been infected by this.

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So far it looks like more of the same overblown reporting based on promptings from AV firms trying to market their product.

There is obviously a Malware risk from Trojans, but I haven't seen any actual reports of anyone who has been infected by this.


Thanks Razormac. Well, I wasn't infected. It was a New York Times article, and in my experience they tend to overstate... So hopefully all's well that ends well.
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Just to reiterate . . . There is a risk, and we should make sure we practice safe computing. Especially, not clicking on questionable links and blindly entering your password when asked.

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Wow, the fluff and contradictions in that article really amaze me. They have no facts, yet spout their words as absolute truth. But hey, I guess this is why the world is the way it is.

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Razormack: Just to reiterate . . . There is a risk, and we should make sure we practice safe computing. Especially, not clicking on questionable links and blindly entering your password when asked...

aging: okay, thanks Raze, I'll be careful. If I hear anything, I'll let you know.
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Razormack: Just to reiterate . . . There is a risk, and we should make sure we practice safe computing. Especially, not clicking on questionable links and blindly entering your password when asked...
This has ALWAYS been true of computing on the net in general. If you click on a phishing link that is in your email etc.. you can be redirected to a site that asks for personal information without you even knowing it. This is nothing new.

Using common sense when on a computer should be rule one. Unfortunately, people think that everything they see should be taken at face value. None of that has anything to do with how secure OS X is at its core.

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okay, words to the wise from you guys, thanks. I'll use common sense. Maybe if I'm not sure about some link I'll bring it here and ask about it.
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At the risk of undermining some of the very sage advice you have received here, you mentioned that you are still running OS X 10.5 – and thus, you are still at risk. The Java update you refer to is months old, and does not address the current problem. You should disable Java in your web browser's preferences. You should also consider upgrading to Snow Leopard if your Mac supports it.
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