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    Hello and what would you do.
    Hey sell me an iMac.

    Hello. My name is Phil. I am from the UK. I am new here and I have joined because I need some advice from people who know what they are talking about.

    What would you do?

    My laptop got damaged in an accident and the insurance has come through. Unfortunately it is by way of a coupon that I can spend at Currys or PC World which doesn't fill me with confidence but needs must.

    For the value of the coupon I can buy a stupendously high spec Core i7 Windows 7 based desktop with a bit to spare, a high end i7 Windows 7 laptop or an iMac.

    My wife wants an iMac for the reliability but I have told her that the reliability has nothing to do with the hardware because it is all pretty much the same nowadays. No, it is down to the software and if I buy one of the Windows computers I would be installing Ubuntu giving me a dual boot system with the option to use Ubuntu Linux or Windows 7 and seeing as (I believe) Ubuntu is at least as stable and fast as Mac's OS X (waiting for incoming fire) surely it is a no brainer? Yet my wife still wants a Mac.

    So what do you lot think? iMac with its medium spec hardware but superb operating system or a really high spec dual boot Windows 7/Ubuntu Linux rig?

    I am erring toward the Win7/Ubuntu option but my wife is being very persuasive so I need the low down. I need to ask the experts.

    Please. Sell me an iMac.

    I thank you.

    Phil

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    Unless you are talking old iMac the specs on the new ones are right up there with the best and OSX is not the resource hog Windows has gotten to be so it still runs faster or thats been my observation. Last but not least making the wife happy is like No.1
    priority if you have been married for any length of time because when they are not happy everyone is miserable if you are not well its just you.

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    Phil,
    This must be the most asked question on the forums :-)

    My suggestion is to buy the machine that will suit your needs, being it Win7 or OS X or something else.
    The thing Apple has going for it is the total solution, the combination of hardware and software .... resulting in an amazing efficient solution.

    It is difficult to say do this or do that, what works very well for me might not work for you ... it all depends on your needs/expectations.

    Let some other members chime in and they can also explain a few things.

    Cheers ... McBie
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    The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.

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    We're not here to sell anyone an iMac...or any Mac model computer. If you have strong reasons to purchase a Mac...then buy a Mac.

    If you have strong reasons to purchase a Windows based computer...then buy a Windows based computer.

    But the worst thing to do is spend all your money on a computer that you don't know much about or have much experience with...and then 2 weeks later be disgusted with yourself that you purchased the wrong platform.

    Comparing what you can buy for a fixed amount of money based on the cost of the hardware (Windows vs. Mac)...is not the way to proceed with this purchase. The "user experience" (Windows computer vs. Macintosh computer) is not the same...and it's pretty darn difficult to put a price tag on that!

    - Nick
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    - Computer seems slower than it used to? Read this for some slow computer tips: Speedup
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    Thread moved from Community Suggestions and Feedback to a more appropriate forum.

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    not to sell the imac, but you can dual boot on an imac also. Or Payware: Parallels, VMware, or codeweavers also give you the option of not having to dual boot and run it while staying in mac and/or run them as native programs (ie icons on desktop). Not sure about Virtualbox but it's freeware and you can put unbuntu on that but I think you have to run it to be able to access progs within, but you would still be on the mac desktop... So your options aren't as slim or cut and dry as you think... Given that mac tends to keep it's value, even if you didn't have the option to dual boot, it is a better option IMHO. Windows machines are cheaper to replace but they tend to reflect that too. Buy a mac and sell it you could still buy a windows machine after you sell it (and the virus prog, firewall etc you need with any win machine
    invincible ignorance” is an example of ignorance that can not be removed by any amount of evidence. It's now a widespread form of pollution. (Revised quote) An apple a day, keeps the psychiatrist away.. If you play a Windows install CD backwards it has satanic verses

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    I am relatively new to mac myself. I came over because the windows based equipment kept crashing, needing cleaning out, getting viruses, terribly slow, bloated with apps that you cannot remove, and on and on. Also, the hardware on my last two toshibas was just not good at all. After I got the MBP, I think i realized why people recommend the MAC/Apple stuff. Very simply, it works...every time for me, and in a quick and efficient manner. I hope I never have to return to a windows based system.

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    G'day and welcome to the forums.

    Want a peaceful life Tazzers?

    Do what your wife wants. She is a clever woman my boy.
    Hang on to those original install discs like grim death! Using OS X.7 or later make a bootable USB thumb drive before running Installer!

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    Seriously. Your wife wants an iMac.

    End of discussion.

    (ps. you'll love it)

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    Been married 34 years . . . Have to agree with the advice above ^^.

    Got to keep the wife happy.
    I've always wanted to be smart, handsome and modest. But, I guess I'll have to be satisfied with two out of three . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianLachoreVPI View Post
    Thread moved from Community Suggestions and Feedback to a more appropriate forum.
    Sorry folks, I lost the thread when it got moved. Just found it again.

    Thanks for your input everybody, all the advice I get is appreciated.

    Here is my worry. I can only afford an entry level iMac and whilst the specs aren' bad, for the same money I could get a Windows 7 based computer with 'out of this world' specs. Well........... Almost.

    But I am wondering if I am getting too hung up on specs and OS X really does have a huge positive effect on the hardware? I am a photographer, both 35mm film (I scan the film in, it all goes digital eventually)and digital and I am used to a Dell Studio 17 dual core i5 windows 7 laptop with 8gb of ram 2x500gb hard drives and a 1gb radeon mobility graphics card. Performance wise how would you think an entry level iMac would compare to this? I have a perfectly useable copy of Photoshop CS3 and cannot afford to replace it but if say, GIMP works well on OS X it wouldn't be an issue as long as I can find a good bit of raw file software. In Linux I'd use Rawtherapy. Is there a free or at least affordable alternative for an iMac?

    I like to listen to my music and loved it on my Studio 17 because it had a beautiful sound system (for a laptop), I am in the UK and I don't get the chance to watch a lot of scheduled TV, I watch programs via the BBC iPlayer a lot, with out Flashplayer, how does online video fair on an iMac?

    I am not too worried about the hard drive space, I rely a lot on external storage but I have so many questions to ask I don't really know where to begin.

    What do you think?

    Cheers

    Phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tazzers View Post
    Sorry folks, I lost the thread when it got moved. Just found it again.

    Thanks for your input everybody, all the advice I get is appreciated.

    Here is my worry. I can only afford an entry level iMac and whilst the specs aren' bad, for the same money I could get a Windows 7 based computer with 'out of this world' specs. Well........... Almost.

    But I am wondering if I am getting too hung up on specs and OS X really does have a huge positive effect on the hardware? I am a photographer, both 35mm film (I scan the film in, it all goes digital eventually)and digital and I am used to a Dell Studio 17 dual core i5 windows 7 laptop with 8gb of ram 2x500gb hard drives and a 1gb radeon mobility graphics card. Performance wise how would you think an entry level iMac would compare to this? I have a perfectly useable copy of Photoshop CS3 and cannot afford to replace it but if say, GIMP works well on OS X it wouldn't be an issue as long as I can find a good bit of raw file software. In Linux I'd use Rawtherapy. Is there a free or at least affordable alternative for an iMac?

    I like to listen to my music and loved it on my Studio 17 because it had a beautiful sound system (for a laptop), I am in the UK and I don't get the chance to watch a lot of scheduled TV, I watch programs via the BBC iPlayer a lot, with out Flashplayer, how does online video fair on an iMac?

    I am not too worried about the hard drive space, I rely a lot on external storage but I have so many questions to ask I don't really know where to begin.

    What do you think?

    Cheers

    Phil
    I would suggest you browse through our Digital Photography forum. As far as the entry level iMac being up to the task, don't think there is any issue there. Would suggest you bump up the RAM (do this yourself and save bucks).
    And, no reason to abandon CS3. Two choices, dual boot Windows and run your Photoshop on the Windows side (at least one of our members does this). Or, you can cross grade (not sure what the fee from Adobe is for this).

    You also may want to consider a laptop, if you still have the need for the portability.

    Lastly, when it comes to budget, you may not be aware of the Apple Refurb Store. Units are offered at a significant discount and are usually like new and come with a same as new warranty.
    Hereare some current examples from the US Apple Store

    iMac 21.5-inch 2.5GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5 $1019 USD
    21.5-inch LED-backlit glossy widescreen display
    4GB memory
    500GB hard drive
    8x SuperDrive (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
    AMD Radeon HD 6750M graphics with 512MB memory
    Refurbished iMac 21.5-inch 2.5GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5 - Apple Store (U.S.)

    iMac 21.5-inch 2.7GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5 $1249 USD
    Originally released May 2011
    21.5-inch LED-backlit glossy widescreen display
    4GB memory
    1TB hard drive
    8x SuperDrive (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
    AMD Radeon HD 6770M graphics with 512MB memory
    Refurbished iMac 21.5-inch 2.7GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5 - Apple Store (U.S.)

    or even this
    iMac 27-inch 2.7GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5 $1419 USD
    27-inch LED-backlit glossy widescreen display
    4GB memory
    1TB hard drive
    8x SuperDrive (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
    AMD Radeon HD 6770M graphics with 512MB memory
    Refurbished iMac 27-inch 2.7GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5 - Apple Store (U.S.)

    And last, a nice deal on a laptop
    MacBook Pro 2.0GHz quad-core Intel i7 $1359 USD
    15.4-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit glossy widescreen display, 1440-by-900 resolution
    4GB (2 x 2GB) of 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM
    500GB Serial ATA @ 5400 rpm
    8x double-layer SuperDrive (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
    Refurbished MacBook Pro 2.0GHz quad-core Intel i7 - Apple Store (U.S.)

    Hope this helps,
    Razormac

    MacBook Pro 2.0GHz quad-core Intel i7
    I've always wanted to be smart, handsome and modest. But, I guess I'll have to be satisfied with two out of three . . .

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    LOL many people seem to get the 'Tim Taylor' mindset when it comes to computer shopping. I haven't tried cs3 - 5.5 yet but you should seriously consider bootcamping cs3 (just make sure that you deactivate or never run more than 1 copy at a time - I think you are allowed to install on 3 diff computers BUT only 1 instance at a time) until you can upgrade or if possible find the mac version on sale or something... If you do a google search, you will find a lot of how to switch your adobe win to mac, use on virtual machines etc. Seems that adobe will allow you to switch but you need to jump through hoops and they are more often not supportive.. here are just a few articles to read: 1st is how it runs on VM/Parallels 2nd is benchmarks using them (but they are also old posts so keep that in mind also)

    Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Parallels vs VMware to run Adobe CS3

    Photoshop CS3 - Mac vs Windows

    In the years since I got my mini (about 2005) macs and software have improved a lot. I really don't keep up with the win world much so it's hard to say if they are more reliable. I know that the games I ran on my win that wouldn't run or were bad or choppy would run on my mac using parallels 3.0 perfectly and all software I used in win ran better and smoother.

    RazorMac gave good advice as you may be able to find a Mac alternative in the Digital Photography forum or something..

    Goodluck
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    Fellers this is superb information, really, I mean it. Thanks.

    Also I have just found out how cheap it is and easy it is to upgrade the RAM, will be the very first thing I do (that sort of implies that I might have made my mind up doesn't it?) which brings me to my next question.

    If, later on, I wanted to upgrade the CPU or the storage, is that just as easy?

    Again, cheers blokes. You have been most brilliant.

    Phil F

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tazzers View Post
    Fellers this is superb information, really, I mean it. Thanks.

    Also I have just found out how cheap it is and easy it is to upgrade the RAM, will be the very first thing I do (that sort of implies that I might have made my mind up doesn't it?) which brings me to my next question.

    If, later on, I wanted to upgrade the CPU or the storage, is that just as easy?

    Again, cheers blokes. You have been most brilliant.

    Phil F
    Only the Mac Pro is readily (or reasonably) upgradeable regarding the CPU. As far as upgrading storage, I don't think the newer iMacs are as easy as most of the other Macs.
    I know for a fact that some on this forum have done HDD upgrades on the iMac, so I will leave it to them for further comment, other than to add if this is a concern take a look at

    http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Installi...acement/5954/1

    which has installation and repair instructions on most Mac models and components.
    I've always wanted to be smart, handsome and modest. But, I guess I'll have to be satisfied with two out of three . . .

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