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  1. #16


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    Do I need a clone image?
    Hi,

    Thanks for the fine essay on backing up a Mac.

    I have a MacBook Pro running Leopard. I use time machine, and I have a bootable disk that came with my MacBook. Is there any reason for me to make a clone image? I'm not worried about the trouble of doing it; when I've used Windows it's been regular maintenance. I'm just wondering if there's any advantage.

    Good luck, Dan S

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    Having a bootable clone on an external disk can be a life saver.
    You can restore your Mac much faster if your hard drive fails and you can boot from your clone and continue working whilst you wait for a new hard drive.

    Cheers ... McBie
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    Which backup tool to use ?
    Here is an interesting read on backups and a comparison of a number of backup tools.

    Best Mac backup software: 6 apps tested | News | TechRadar

    Enjoy.

    Cheers ... McBie
    A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history - with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila.
    The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.

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    My Mac has a lot of expensive professional apps installed by the previous owner that I do not have the discs for. Is it possible for me to copy the apps to my external hard drive or to a disc image before I do a clean install?

    I would like to do a clean install because some of the settings (including his email that's still synched to the App Store and I don't have his password to update the apps) are still present on the computer and I would like to remove that.

    If moving the apps to a disc or hard drive isn't possible, does anyone know of another way? Thanks.
    Last edited by ghostkey13; 02-14-2012 at 10:58 AM.

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    If you do not have the disks for those "expensive apps" then they are not legally yours anyway and should be removed. Besides, it's likely that copying them to an external hard drive and then attempting to install them again after a fresh install of OS X, will not work.

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    Well, technically, the apps were sold WITH the Mac. The wholesale company I bought it from (on eBay) knew he was selling those programs to me and he included them in the price I paid. I'm not removing them because I need them for my music, picture, and video production.

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    It doesn't matter that the wholesale company sold the programs to you with the machine. Without the original disks, those programs are not licensed to you and are legally not yours. Contact the seller and ask for the disks. If he can't provide them to you, chances are he did not have the right to sell them to you. I would then ask him for a refund for the cost of the programs he illegally sold you.

  9. #24

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    I'll try contacting him and asking for the discs, but I highly doubt he would refund me the money for all the programs because all together the programs came out to over 2 thousand dollars, and I only paid less than 600 for the MacBook. I also noticed that most of the programs were purchased in the App Store.

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    He said that he didn't have the discs because his distributor handles that. It's not a big deal to me I don't need to do a restore, but I found that Time Capsule saves all of my applications and files to my external hard dive so I can put them back on my Mac after I restore. The back-up is all done and now I just need to buy the Lion disc, I just want to make sure Time Capsule does what I think it does.

  11. #26


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    Portable hard drive to use with Tiger 10.4.11?
    Help! I am upgrading to Snow Leopard and look forward to using time machine for back ups, but I don't have it yet, and don't yet have a portable hard drive... Any suggestions for one that will work with my Tiger 10.4.11 (On Macbook Pro 2 GHz Memory: 2 GB )? I've been going a bit cross eyed researching this, trying to find a 500GB or 1 TB drive for around $100 or less that will work... Suggestions? I know my MBP is now considered ancient but I do not want Lion and cant find new/refurb running snow leopard!

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    Backup problem
    Lion 10.7.4, MBA 11" mid 2011, OWC 128GB SSD, 2GB RAM. Have used old 64GB drive as backup with Time Machine successfully but now cannot back up because TM reports insufficient space on Backup drive.
    Yet TM display says "old back ups will be deleted sequentially"- so what am I missing here?

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    Some sage advice here. Thanks to the simpleness of Time Machine the Mac pretty much teaches users to back up. The thing is, you don't actually have to worry about backing up as Time Machine will take care of it for you. Fantastic! Before I made the switch I never once made backups.

    That being said, if your backup drive fails, your screwed. I just had my 1TB backup drive (which i had in an external enclosure) fail on me. I considered the possibility of it being the enclosure that was faulty but just today I connected the 10,000rpm raptor drive from my old PC to the enclosure and it mounted INSTANTLY and jetted through navigation faster than anything!

    This is so depressing for me as I cannot afford the hefty pricetag of an external HDD. I have no backup options now and can't afford any. I'd use the raptor drive but it's only 150GB which is a fraction of my Macs HDD so I can't back up to it. However, I'm gonna have that connected to the enclosure, reformat it and use it for backing up crucial documents only (manually) and see how it holds out. If there are any problems then I'll know it was the enclosure and not the HDD, in which case I can easily replace the enclosure (10 for a new enclosure is easy for me, but not 60 for an external hdd).

    And as a side note I'm brand new here, so hi!

  14. #29


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    Hi I have a question about backing up multiple volumes to a single time capsule volume my set up is as follows

    Mac Mini Intel Core 2 Duo running Mountain Lion OS X 10.8.3 (12D78)

    Internal Drive 160 GB
    External Drive 1TB partitioned into:
    TimeMachine Volume 500 GB (for backups)
    DataStore 500GB (for extra data storage)

    Now my internal drive is automatically backed up on the time machine volume but since I have enough space I'd like to include the Data Store partiton in the back up to Time Machine as well

    Is this possible? I can't see how to do it if I click on preferences in time machine I see Time Machine and DataStore listed as exclusions but can't see a way to remove the exclusion from Data Store is the problem that both volumes are on one physical disk? Would I be better with a whole other external drive for Time Machine?

    Thanks

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    goatboy:

    Having a second copy of your files on the same hard drive is NOT a backup.
    Yes... if you want to "backup" the files on the DataStore partition, you need another drive.
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