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Very happy with windows 7, still thinking about switching to Mac... need input


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Hello everyone,

Very new to the forums. I'll get straight to the point. I have used PCs my whole life and like many of you have seen them evolve. On my current machine I run Windows 7 64bit. I'm very happy with it. I also build my own pcs.
Recently during a format and reinstall a small question began nagging at me. Why do I have to do this every 6 months to a year? Why do I have to do this to keep my machine snappy? This nagging question has grown more persuasive and started a serious debate about switching to mac.

My interest in Mac hinges on two things:

1. The idea that Macs don't have a registry to muck up, and the total contents of an application are contained inside ONE folder. To uninstall that program you simply trash the folder and you're done. No leftovers. Nothing.

2. The idea that with ONE install of a Mac OS (not including upgrades of course) a mac will run the same way 5 years from the first power up.

My considering switching is based on these two things. I want a stable and responsive platform for my family that will last a long long time. If any of you can confirm, verify, and expand on the two above mentioned assumptions of macs I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you.
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So what you waiting for, go and get one, you'll not regret it, i didn't !

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I think you'll find no shortage of similar stories from folks on this forum, who switched for similar reasons. Myself, I never made it to Win 7 - if I had - who knows - perhaps I wouldn't have made the switch, but I had had more than enough after Vista and I'm glad I moved to the Mac. Constant OS maintenance becomes nothing more than an onerous chore after a while.

You'll have some things to get used to with the new OS - but learning is part of the fun. I liked it so much I bought a second new Mac just a few months later.
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Hello everyone,

Very new to the forums. I'll get straight to the point. I have used PCs my whole life and like many of you have seen them evolve. On my current machine I run Windows 7 64bit. I'm very happy with it. I also build my own pcs.
Recently during a format and reinstall a small question began nagging at me. Why do I have to do this every 6 months to a year? Why do I have to do this to keep my machine snappy? This nagging question has grown more persuasive and started a serious debate about switching to mac.

My interest in Mac hinges on two things:

1. The idea that Macs don't have a registry to muck up, and the total contents of an application are contained inside ONE folder. To uninstall that program you simply trash the folder and you're done. No leftovers. Nothing.

2. The idea that with ONE install of a Mac OS (not including upgrades of course) a mac will run the same way 5 years from the first power up.

My considering switching is based on these two things. I want a stable and responsive platform for my family that will last a long long time. If any of you can confirm, verify, and expand on the two above mentioned assumptions of macs I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you.
I wouldn't discourage anyone from trying Mac, but in your case why not do what I did and download a Ubuntu distro and run that for a while on your PC (dual boot). It will give ~80% of OSX experience and it's free.
If you fnd you like it but don't want the maintenance and upkeep with Linux then join us in the MacWorld.

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Hello everyone,

Very new to the forums.
Welcome!!

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Recently during a format and reinstall a small question began nagging at me. Why do I have to do this every 6 months to a year? Why do I have to do this to keep my machine snappy? This nagging question has grown more persuasive and started a serious debate about switching to mac.
That's what did me in also. I honestly thought I knew the answer, but over time, I have begun to realize that I actually don't know why a Windows pc will start getting slower over time. People blamed it on bloat-ware, but I used to always reinstall the OS after buying a new PC. I have to say though, even though you can run an OS consistently for, probably as long as you want, I have still reinstalled the OS because I switched hdd's/ssd's. I like clean installs when it comes to that.

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1. The idea that Macs don't have a registry to muck up, and the total contents of an application are contained inside ONE folder. To uninstall that program you simply trash the folder and you're done. No leftovers. Nothing.
That's almost true, but it's not always that easy to uninstall programs. There are programs out there that will automatically delete every file associated with that program that you want to delete, but that can also cause unintended deletions.

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2. The idea that with ONE install of a Mac OS (not including upgrades of course) a mac will run the same way 5 years from the first power up.
I'm not sure about this...but I can see it happening. Oh, wait a sec, this can happen...my G5's are a great example...the 2 most consistent computers I have ever owned.

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My considering switching is based on these two things. I want a stable and responsive platform for my family that will last a long long time. If any of you can confirm, verify, and expand on the two above mentioned assumptions of macs I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you.
If you want consistency, the Mac OS has been incredibly consistent, and when something did go wrong, it's usually because of something that the user has done, or something that has a quick fix.
With that said, problems can arise with OSX just as in every other OS. If your machine runs constant, your OS will run consistently. If one thing has a hiccup, so will the other.

Some people don't adapt to OSX after leaving Windows as easily, and go back because as the saying goes, OSX is so easy, it's hard!" That has proven to be the case for me many times, and I thought I knew it well! LOL!!

I recently commented on another thread about my MBP's age. I've had it now for 25 months, and I still appreciate my MBP as much as I did the first day I got it. This coming from a person that can't keep a car for more than 3 years because I get bored. I love it!

Whatever you decide, you have stumbled onto the right forum!
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Not saying its typical but I'm on my 4th re-install of osx on a 2011 MBP, all at the request of Apple to repair the computer. Its to the point that my computer is working and I'm not installing any more Apple updates.

I still run several w7 machines along with a second MBP for my wife.

OSX is fine, but not earth shattering or game changing in my opinion but your mileage may vary. I've been less than thrilled by the hardware, but that's a different and very long story.

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I never reinstall. Never. Only time was when a 6 year old hard drive died. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, never ever sleeps even.

Can't say the same with most Windows machines. And yes, I can find those machines, but a pain when I have work to do.
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Fourth re-install? Wonder why? Like dtravis7 in over twenty years of using Macs from OS 6, only have ever done two re-installs and each time a hard drive failed, one in the original LC and one, a famed DeathStar in a MDD.

Windows 7 is a much better product than XP, and if you are really satisfied, why change?

Hang on to those original install discs like grim death! Using OS X.7 or later make a bootable USB thumb drive before running Installer!
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You missed out a vital point which is crucial towards me giving you any advice.

What do you use computers for?

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Recently during a format and reinstall a small question began nagging at me. Why do I have to do this every 6 months to a year? Why do I have to do this to keep my machine snappy? This nagging question has grown more persuasive and started a serious debate about switching to mac.
That's quite an inordinate number of fresh installs, and far more than what should be necessary. Without knowing the exact specifications of the hardware being used, I can't provide you with a technical answer. Windows has a tendency to build up unnecessary crap, keep it stored, and then never reference back to it in the future. This being said, I happen to own a few Windows 7 powered machines and have never had to perform fresh installs as frequently as you have had to. Do I notice decreases in overall performance from time to time? Of course. This is the nature of the Windows OS.

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My interest in Mac hinges on two things:

1. The idea that Macs don't have a registry to muck up, and the total contents of an application are contained inside ONE folder. To uninstall that program you simply trash the folder and you're done. No leftovers. Nothing.
The basic premise of removing an application is correct, and as easy as it sounds. Some applications will leave behind remnants in various directories of the system, so you will need to do some manual digging from time to time. Nothing strenuous.

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2. The idea that with ONE install of a Mac OS (not including upgrades of course) a mac will run the same way 5 years from the first power up.
Absolutely. A well-maintained, finely-tuned Mac will run beautifully regardless of its age. In addition to my late-model Macs, I also frequently use my 13" MacBook purchased mid-2008 (running OS X Snow Leopard) and it has never let me down. Still runs as well as it did when I had first purchased it. You are going to enjoy your Mac for many years if you keep it clean and up-to-date.

Just don't try to rip the thing open in an effort to make upgrades without having the knowledge to do so beforehand. You can end up doing more harm than good.

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My considering switching is based on these two things. I want a stable and responsive platform for my family that will last a long long time. If any of you can confirm, verify, and expand on the two above mentioned assumptions of macs I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you.
You won't be disappointed. I am confident that you will find the OS X platform much more enjoyable in comparison to your current Windows machine. Be warned, though - once you make the switch, any headaches or stress that you had been experiencing while using Windows will vanish. You will find yourself actually enjoying the computer as opposed to fighting with it every single minute.

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Fourth re-install? Wonder why? Like dtravis7 in over twenty years of using Macs from OS 6, only have ever done two re-installs and each time a hard drive failed, one in the original LC and one, a famed DeathStar in a MDD.

Windows 7 is a much better product than XP, and if you are really satisfied, why change?
After years of doing advertising photography using a PC I decided to try a Mac, I've not "changed" I still use both systems.

And yes, 4 re-installs, as prompted by Applecare. First the system was freezing may times a day and the usb ports would not work in my application. There are OS upgrades and two two re-installs and still the USB is dodgy at best, I won't take a MBP on location and do production work as it is not reliable.

The the system failed to wake from sleep, and a third reinstall. Finally the last round of updates broke the computer to NEC monitor connection, and once again a re-install was needed to get it back, this time leaving out the updates.

I don't think I'm going to install any more OS or other updates on this thing....

This is since the introduction of the 2011 MBP back in March?

I use the mbp daily and it works great for email, web surfing etc. I just won;t use it for photo processing or retouching as I'm still way faster on a W7 platform and time is money. And given the crappy usb performance ( don't ask about the 2010 MBP) I won't take a MBP to a location shoot where need to tether my camera in a reliable manner.

I keep using this thing every day, thinking I'll find it faster or better. Maybe I will.....

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There are many pros here at Mac forums that do not seem to have your issues with their MBP.. I wonder why?

Either you have a defective machine or something is bring overlooked.
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After years of doing advertising photography using a PC I decided to try a Mac, I've not "changed" I still use both systems.

And yes, 4 re-installs, as prompted by Applecare. First the system was freezing may times a day and the usb ports would not work in my application. There are OS upgrades and two two re-installs and still the USB is dodgy at best, I won't take a MBP on location and do production work as it is not reliable.

The the system failed to wake from sleep, and a third reinstall. Finally the last round of updates broke the computer to NEC monitor connection, and once again a re-install was needed to get it back, this time leaving out the updates.

I don't think I'm going to install any more OS or other updates on this thing....

This is since the introduction of the 2011 MBP back in March?

I use the mbp daily and it works great for email, web surfing etc. I just won;t use it for photo processing or retouching as I'm still way faster on a W7 platform and time is money. And given the crappy usb performance ( don't ask about the 2010 MBP) I won't take a MBP to a location shoot where need to tether my camera in a reliable manner.

I keep using this thing every day, thinking I'll find it faster or better. Maybe I will.....
I suspect a hardware problem and no amount of installs or updates will fix
that never heard of anyone having that much issues with a Mac and I sure would take it back if its acting up.
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I suspect a hardware problem and no amount of installs or updates will fix
that never heard of anyone having that much issues with a Mac and I sure would take it back if its acting up.
Actually, I agree. I have no such issues on my 11MBP. Doing (likely) many of the same things.

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