New To Mac-Forums?

Welcome to our community! Join the discussion today by registering your FREE account. If you have any problems with the registration process, please contact us!

Get your questions answered by community gurus Advice and insight from world-class Apple enthusiasts Exclusive access to members-only contests, giveaways and deals

Join today!

 
Start a Discussion
 

Mac-Forums Brief

Subscribe to Mac-Forums Brief to receive special offers from Mac-Forums partners and sponsors

Join the conversation RSS
Switcher Hangout The place for switchers to discuss their new machines, and how to work with OS X. General support can be had here for newbie stuff, like "How do I restart my new iMac?" :)

Still mulling over back up options...a few more questions


Post Reply New Thread Subscribe

 
Thread Tools
EightmanVT
Guest
 
Posts: n/a

Yes - I'm making this much more complicated than I probably need to...

So - I'm starting to abandon the idea of setting up a Time Capsule replacement - largely because I don't think I want to buy a Time Capsule - and there doesn't seem to be that many great alternatives...yet. Not unless I want to get really nerdy about my home network - but there are too many other things demanding that kind of attention right now. Perhaps later.

I'm back to just considering a wired connection - and then I started looking at performance. It seems that FW800 is considerably slower than eSATA and USB 3.0 - but for my MBP 15" - I don't have either of those faster options available to me. It could be that at the end of the day - I can live with FW 800 - but since I do have a mini-display port...err...port - which theoretically has significantly more available BW than does FW 800 or any of the other interfaces on my MBP - why don't I find any display port drives? I realize that interface was probably meant for another purpose - but I'm trying to come up with a way to overcome the fact that this MBP doesn't have USB 3.0 nor an upgrade path. Thoughts?
QUOTE Thanks
RavingMac

 
RavingMac's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 07, 2008
Location: In Denial
Posts: 7,572
RavingMac has a reputation beyond reputeRavingMac has a reputation beyond reputeRavingMac has a reputation beyond reputeRavingMac has a reputation beyond reputeRavingMac has a reputation beyond reputeRavingMac has a reputation beyond reputeRavingMac has a reputation beyond reputeRavingMac has a reputation beyond reputeRavingMac has a reputation beyond reputeRavingMac has a reputation beyond reputeRavingMac has a reputation beyond repute
Mac Specs: 4GB Mac Mini 2012, 13" MBA, 15" MacBook Pro OSX 10.7, 32 GB iPhone 3GS, iPad2 64gb 3G

RavingMac is offline
Get a small external HD. They're not too expensive, get their power from your USB or FireWire port and uncomplicated.
I have the Seagate Go drive FireWire version. It works. I keep it handy beside my recliner for periodic use, and am thinking of picking up a second one to keep off site and swap out from time to time.

I've always wanted to be smart, handsome and modest. But, I guess I'll have to be satisfied with two out of three . . .
QUOTE Thanks
EightmanVT
Guest
 
Posts: n/a

Yes - I'm sure at the end of the day I'll end up doing something along those lines...i was just curious to find a higher bit rate solution...hence my curiosity regarding the display port.
QUOTE Thanks
chas_m

 
chas_m's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 22, 2010
Location: Victoria, BC
Posts: 16,233
chas_m has a reputation beyond reputechas_m has a reputation beyond reputechas_m has a reputation beyond reputechas_m has a reputation beyond reputechas_m has a reputation beyond reputechas_m has a reputation beyond reputechas_m has a reputation beyond reputechas_m has a reputation beyond reputechas_m has a reputation beyond reputechas_m has a reputation beyond reputechas_m has a reputation beyond repute
Mac Specs: 2009 MBP, Black speakers, Black Benq second monitor, black(ish) iPhone 5s, Black 2012 iPad, etc.

chas_m is offline
Firewire 800 is TECHNICALLY slower than USB3, but frankly giving the bald-faced lying about USB2's speed (and some disappointing tests I've seen around regarding USB3), I'll wait for more real-world testing before I genuinely believe it.

But yes, at least on paper eSATA is clearly faster than either. But here's the thing -- hard drives don't *necessarily* benefit from a wider pipe (beyond a certain point). The drives themselves are speed limited on how much data they can consistently (key word) pump out. Any pipe that exceeds that average data speed is going to give you the exact same performance.

FW800 is fast enough to play and record uncompressed 1080p video. To me, that's fast enough. It's twice as fast as the solution I'm using now for Time Machine (FW400), which takes all of 30 seconds to do its hourly update.

Bottom line: I really wouldn't waste much time on this. The only place where a fatter pipe is really going to make any difference is in that initial backup, which you can do while you're asleep so even then it's utterly irrelevant.
QUOTE Thanks
TattooedMac

 
TattooedMac's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 19, 2009
Location: Waiting for a mate . . .
Posts: 7,727
TattooedMac has a brilliant futureTattooedMac has a brilliant futureTattooedMac has a brilliant futureTattooedMac has a brilliant futureTattooedMac has a brilliant futureTattooedMac has a brilliant futureTattooedMac has a brilliant futureTattooedMac has a brilliant futureTattooedMac has a brilliant futureTattooedMac has a brilliant futureTattooedMac has a brilliant future
Mac Specs: 21" iMac 2.9Ghz 10.9.4 13"MBP 2.9Ghz i7 Yosemite 10.10 ~ iPhone5 iOS 8 ~ iPad Mini iOS 8 ~ ATV3 6.1

TattooedMac is offline
If you want back up options have a read of the Sticky Mcbie wrote

Backups, backups, backups.
A lot of good info in that sticky

Cheers

CogFrog Studio's ~ Photography, Apps and Web Development
Dont forget to use the Reputation System if someone has helped you out !!!
Arguing with a zealot is only slightly easier than tunneling through a mountain with your forehead!!!!!
QUOTE Thanks
McBie

 
McBie's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 26, 2008
Location: Belgium
Posts: 2,290
McBie is a name known to allMcBie is a name known to allMcBie is a name known to allMcBie is a name known to allMcBie is a name known to allMcBie is a name known to allMcBie is a name known to all
Mac Specs: 2013 MBA 13" - 10.9.3 & iPad - iOS 5.1

McBie is offline
I am with chas_m on this ....

There is no need to start comparing data throughput ....
What is your backup window ? Unless you are operating in a 24/7 environment, you will have a backup window of several hours. ( even if it is at night )

I wouldn't bother too much if it were FW, eSATA or USB ... I would first ensure I have a backup and if my backup windows becomes too small I will reconsider the backup mechanism.

Cheers ... McBie

A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history - with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila.
The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude towards the problem. You understand ?
QUOTE Thanks
EightmanVT
Guest
 
Posts: n/a

Quote:
Originally Posted by TattooedMac View Post
If you want back up options have a read of the Sticky Mcbie wrote

Backups, backups, backups.
A lot of good info in that sticky

Cheers
Read that and much more...as soon as I joined here...
QUOTE Thanks
EightmanVT
Guest
 
Posts: n/a

Quote:
Originally Posted by chas_m View Post
Firewire 800 is TECHNICALLY slower than USB3, but frankly giving the bald-faced lying about USB2's speed (and some disappointing tests I've seen around regarding USB3), I'll wait for more real-world testing before I genuinely believe it.

But yes, at least on paper eSATA is clearly faster than either. But here's the thing -- hard drives don't *necessarily* benefit from a wider pipe (beyond a certain point). The drives themselves are speed limited on how much data they can consistently (key word) pump out. Any pipe that exceeds that average data speed is going to give you the exact same performance.

FW800 is fast enough to play and record uncompressed 1080p video. To me, that's fast enough. It's twice as fast as the solution I'm using now for Time Machine (FW400), which takes all of 30 seconds to do its hourly update.

Bottom line: I really wouldn't waste much time on this. The only place where a fatter pipe is really going to make any difference is in that initial backup, which you can do while you're asleep so even then it's utterly irrelevant.
Yes - I know I'm starting to over complicate it - I was just reading on another site the performance comparison between eSATA and Firewire 800 and USB 3.0 and it got me thinking. I'm certain Firewire will suffice for now - it's just that once you start researching something - you want to reach for the sky - I'm sure most members on here think similarly.

I am still curious to know if some forum engineer could render an opinion regarding the mini-display port. Just curious why there seems (at first glance) to be a high bit rate pipe sitting there - which I realize was intended for one purpose - but potentially could be repurposed??
QUOTE Thanks

Post Reply New Thread Subscribe


« A new user of Mac-Forums.com | Help with folder sorting »
Thread Tools

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Automatic back up from external hard drive to external hard drive annahardy Other Hardware and Peripherals 7 06-06-2011 05:43 PM
Hard Drive Questions Yffum Other Hardware and Peripherals 5 09-12-2010 09:07 PM
help me convert something, please. krrose27 Switcher Hangout 4 05-25-2007 02:10 AM
using Retrospect 6.0 to back up media files and have a few questions adam l Movies and Video 0 08-30-2005 10:02 PM
pc to mac.. now back to pc.. my g5 1.6 biggest headache! dankim723 Apple Desktops 25 05-14-2005 11:05 AM

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:43 AM.

Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
X

Welcome to Mac-Forums.com

Create your username to jump into the discussion!

New members like you have made this community the ultimate source for your Mac since 2003!


(4 digit year)

Already a member?