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    EightmanVT
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    Time Capsule Alternative
    So - I've read quite a bit regarding the various backup approaches and methodologies and have settled on a candidate approach for myself. I'd like to have a 2 TB Firewire 800 drive that I will use to clone my drive periodically using Super Duper or something similar (probably no more than weekly although that may change). I'm also considering using a second drive in conjunction with Time Machine - but I'd like to do this in a similar fashion as what the Time Capsule offers - meaning wirelessly but I don't like most of what I read about the Time Capsule. CNET was pretty scathing in its review.

    I'm not a networking expert by any stretch, although willing to beef up my knowledge as needed to implement this. I currently use a Verizon FIOS wireless router (probably only 802.11G...believe we got it before 'n' routers were shipping)... Curious to know if others on here use a similar setup or if you have alternate suggestions. I'm wondering if I should invest in a faster 'n' router to use at home along with the drive.

    Thanks

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    Well there's no legitimate way to use Time Machine over NAS unless you use Apple's Time Capsule. I believe there are a few 'janky' work-arounds but nothing that is really that appealing, IMO.

    The Time Capsule is actually an airport router and attatched storage built together, so it would server as your router. Personally, since I don't have any "super sensitive data" I just use a portable Seagate hard drive.

    I would say, if you don't want to buy a Time Capsule, stick with your original idea to buy a Firewire drive to do your backups.
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    That's a bummer! True - I don't need to do it wirelessly - but the idea of having that done in the background - to an NAS drive located in my basement (or elsewhere) was appealing. I prefer to use my MBP with only a single wired connection - The power cord. I guess maybe I'll have to come to terms with the thought of keeping a drive up near the couch where I tend to use this most so I can get periodic TM backups.

    Reading this review seemed to imply that I could use TM in the manner I had described - but perhaps I misinterpreted. I've been reading so much since I got this MBP - I'm seriously considering heading to the eye doc.

    Apple Time Capsule Review (500GB, Winter 2009) - Network Storage - CNET Reviews

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    The other option is an Airport Extreme with your choice of usb connected drive and I read
    somewhere that WD's network drives are TM compatible. http://wdc.custhelp.com/app/answers/...Q05TZlVPbGs%3D

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    I know I'm just continuing to show how much I don't know....but that's what noobs do - but why wouldn't a NAS drive be mountable from the MBP over the network? And if so - why can't Time Machine just be pointed to that drive for its backups? I guess I'm missing why the only combo that will work is either Time Capsule, or Airport Extreme + a TM compatible drive?

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    Actually there are NAS devises by both Qnap and Synology that have Time Machine capabilities build it. I am leaning to words a Synology Nas myself just saving up and deciding what size i want to go with New egg carries both of them
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    Quote Originally Posted by EightmanVT View Post
    That's a bummer! True - I don't need to do it wirelessly - but the idea of having that done in the background - to an NAS drive located in my basement (or elsewhere) was appealing. I prefer to use my MBP with only a single wired connection - The power cord. I guess maybe I'll have to come to terms with the thought of keeping a drive up near the couch where I tend to use this most so I can get periodic TM backups.

    Reading this review seemed to imply that I could use TM in the manner I had described - but perhaps I misinterpreted. I've been reading so much since I got this MBP - I'm seriously considering heading to the eye doc.

    Apple Time Capsule Review (500GB, Winter 2009) - Network Storage - CNET Reviews
    8man,

    we think alike dude. I don't know why in **** Apple has not done this approach yet. What is the purpose of a laptop if you must have it hooked up with miles of wires coming out of it.

    I have searched desperately for a solution. I hope someone at Apple pulls their head out of their colon and upgrade that Time Capsule POS to allow the end user to used it like we want to. When and if they do such thing, then the rest of the industry pack will be "forced" to follow.

    Until then, my qnap nas might end up getting the task to be the MPB's TM drive. Something I really do not want to do.

    Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by EightmanVT View Post
    I know I'm just continuing to show how much I don't know....but that's what noobs do - but why wouldn't a NAS drive be mountable from the MBP over the network? And if so - why can't Time Machine just be pointed to that drive for its backups? I guess I'm missing why the only combo that will work is either Time Capsule, or Airport Extreme + a TM compatible drive?
    I do not follow what you are saying here...Do you have a NAS? Which one? My Qnap TS419P+ has TM service, but what I do not like is that I must use the drive space in the internal drives. I do not want this. What I want is to connect an external drive via usb to the nas and use that drive for TM backups from my MBP laptop unit while leaving the internal HD's capacity for data only. I tested the TM service and the share that it creates is discoverable wirelessly on my MBP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osxx View Post
    The other option is an Airport Extreme with your choice of usb connected drive and I read
    somewhere that WD's network drives are TM compatible. Using a WD network drive with Apple Time Machine Backups
    Those drives can be compatible with TM but a lot of the reviews on Newegg do not look good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobFERN View Post
    I do not follow what you are saying here...Do you have a NAS? Which one? My Qnap TS419P+ has TM service, but what I do not like is that I must use the drive space in the internal drives. I do not want this. What I want is to connect an external drive via usb to the nas and use that drive for TM backups from my MBP laptop unit while leaving the internal HD's capacity for data only. I tested the TM service and the share that it creates is discoverable wirelessly on my MBP.

    I believe your Qnap has an external usb or even a esata port. I think if you hook a drive to that you can then assign the time machine location to the external if you like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobFERN View Post
    I do not follow what you are saying here...Do you have a NAS? Which one? My Qnap TS419P+ has TM service, but what I do not like is that I must use the drive space in the internal drives. I do not want this. What I want is to connect an external drive via usb to the nas and use that drive for TM backups from my MBP laptop unit while leaving the internal HD's capacity for data only. I tested the TM service and the share that it creates is discoverable wirelessly on my MBP.
    No - I don't have one - but was looking to set up one - to function in a similar fashion as Time Capsule - but using components of my own choosing.

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    Rami,

    thanks for the reply. You are correct about my Qnap but unfortunately I can not find the drive on the network. I am still learning this NAS... I will have to try with another external that I have and see what happens....

    I can see the external drive under the admin page but not on the network...
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    There are a myriad of ways to use NAS for Time Machine. Synology as stated has Time Machine support. You can also build a box using freenas and use that as your backup device. My buddy setup a raid 5 with backup disks for a total of 10TB as his backup and storage box. Here is the setup
    harryd: Mac OSX Time Machine and FreeNAS 0.7

    Basically you are looking for

    EDIT: It's like I died while typing. I just went to bed as I had a long day skiing then watching football and gorging on food that is bad for you. What you are looking for is AFP that is time machine supported. I believe the latest is 3.3. Usually when you go looking you will find that they say they support Time Machine - which means they support some level of AFP.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Filing_Protocol

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    I believe that if you turn on the Bonjour service on the nas it will all show up under finder.

    I actually just switched to mac a little while back but if i remember correctly i changes my NAS to a .local domain and I can ping it by name now. since that is the default I believe in the mac os.

    Quote Originally Posted by RobFERN View Post
    Rami,

    thanks for the reply. You are correct about my Qnap but unfortunately I can not find the drive on the network. I am still learning this NAS... I will have to try with another external that I have and see what happens....

    I can see the external drive under the admin page but not on the network...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobFERN View Post
    8man,

    we think alike dude. I don't know why in **** Apple has not done this approach yet. What is the purpose of a laptop if you must have it hooked up with miles of wires coming out of it.

    I have searched desperately for a solution. I hope someone at Apple pulls their head out of their colon and upgrade that Time Capsule POS to allow the end user to used it like we want to. When and if they do such thing, then the rest of the industry pack will be "forced" to follow.
    While doing my own research I read this line at Mac 101:

    "Time Machine canít back up to an external disk that's connected to an AirPort Extreme, or to an iPod, iDisk, or a disk formatted for Microsoft Windows (NTFS or FAT format)."

    So, no built-in option to use Time Machine with an externally connected HDD. And...from Apple's perspective that would be a direct competitor to Time Capsule so they no longer offer it (I read that it was available in 2008 and subsequently removed when Time Capsule came around...purely business).

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