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I hate it. I mean, it's really clunky compared to keyboard shortcuts. Or am I just doing it wrong?

My problem is if I want to move a file from one location to another, I click on the file, then C A R E F U L L Y drag it to E X A C T L Y the folder I want to drop it in and half the time accidentally drop it in the wrong place. And really most of the time, I am mid drag and run out of room to finish the drag. I have to pick the mouse up, while still carefully holding the mouse button down, and then move it over and continue my d and d procedure. And usually when I do that I accidentally release the mouse button and drop it "somewhere" and don't even know where I was when I dropped it.

And if I want to move a file, I have to open two finder windows, resize them so I can see what I need to see to make the move, navigate in each window to the right folder, get everything lined up and them usually screw it up anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I love my new Mac, but drag and drop ain't one of the reasons why. I miss Ctrl-X, Ctrl-V *bigtime*. Someone please tell me I am going about it all wrong and there's an easy fix? File management is so much harder on the Mac for me. I've had the Mac for about 5 months now and I am a little but more proficient, but evrything still takes a lot longer than it used to on PC.
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You can use Command+C and Command+V.

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I feel your pain as I had the same problem with my 27" iMac..dragging across the screen I usually end up dropping the files somewhere and then have to go hunting..

You don't have to open two finder windows to move/copy a file from one location to another..grab the file in it's source location and then in the same Finder window drag over to the destination, if you want a sub-directory, then just hover over the top most directory where your destination is and Finder will open that directory for you, and then continue dragging until you get to your final destination and then release the mouse button to drop.

Having said that, there's no reason you can't use the CMD+X, CMD+V option..that still works..though I've found that you need to make sure you are in the thumbnail mode of Finder (when viewing a directory) to make sure you drop the file in the right place. By thumbnail I mean the 4 options you have to view your directories (thumbnail, list, 3-split, and coverflow)..

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You don't have to open two finder windows to move/copy a file from one location to another..
But if I am copying a file from
"User/Pictures/2010/July/Aunt Martha's birthday party" to
"User/Documents/Photos for CD/2010/Keepers/Full sized", or some other crazy deeply buried directory, it takes forever to navigate through the maze and there are 10 chances to screw it up!

I've at least figured out to set it so the folders require me to hit the spacebar before they open. No I control which folder opens up and that helps a little.



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Having said that, there's no reason you can't use the CMD+X, CMD+V option..that still works..though I've found that you need to make sure you are in the thumbnail mode of Finder (when viewing a directory) to make sure you drop the file in the right place. By thumbnail I mean the 4 options you have to view your directories (thumbnail, list, 3-split, and coverflow)..
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What's this? I've never gotten CMD-X to do anything but train whistle at me when I am trying to move files. Are you saying there is cut and paste available if you are viewing thumbnails of the files?
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Raz0rEdge is incorrect ... it's cmd-c/cmd-v (copy, paste) not cut/paste as it is on Windows.

I have found that dragging and dropping work very well, however, with two things to help:

1. Practice
2. Adjusting your mouse speed to be able to move the mouse completely across the screen without having to "take a break." If you can't move your mouse completely across the width of your screen with a wrist-only movement, your mouse is set too slow.
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I don't think this is just a Mac problem...I struggle sometimes on my Windows 7 machine, but that has to be do with the huge screen size. >_<"

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Yeah yeah... NOBODY ever wants to admit that this is a fatal flaw of OS X's Finder. It really needs to be updated very badly !

No, there is no cut and paste. Cut only works for text in a document, that's it.

Here's two solutions for you. You'll LOVE the second, but please read the first:

1. Copy and paste WILL work, but then you have to delete the original file, which is counter productive and a waste of time. I've pretty much gotten used to opening two finder windows side by side by using CMD+N (while in finder obviously, to create a new Finder window). Now, you might think it's a pain to line up the windows all the time, but there is a solution for this.

There is an app called "Size Up". It's pretty freekin' awesome. With keyboard shortcuts (which you can create) make ANY window (app or finder) move to either half the screen on the right or left side or any window move to any quarter of the screen, with equal length and height so everything you need to see is right there.. clearly visible. I use the half screen method all the time for various tasks and it's very easy this way.

2. Ready ? download an app called : Move Addict This is an free app, but you are limited to moving 1 file at a time. If you pay for it ($5.99) that limitation is lifted, obviously. I've been using it, and it is exactly what OS X' should be doing natively. Features:

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* Step 1: Cut. Select the files you want to move and cut them (by using the keyboard shortcut or the menu icon). During this step, moveAddict simply remembers the location of the files, it does not change them in any way. If you forget to paste the files, nothing happens, they are perfectly safe at their original location.
* Step 2: Paste. Use the keyboard shortcut or the menu icon to initiate the move. During this step, moveAddict will move the files you cut to the folder you have open.

Extras:

* Merge folders. While moving files, if moveAddict detects that you are trying to replace a folder, it lets you choose whether you want to completely replace the folder or merge the two.
* Familiar keyboard shortcuts. You can use ⌘-X and ⌘-V as your shortcuts or you can choose your own.
* No hacks. moveAddict doesn’t modify the Finder or any System file in any way. It’s just a regular application which you can uninstall by deleting it.
* Easy to configure. The moment you run moveAddict, you can start cutting and pasting files. However, if you’d like to change something, you can do it in the preferences.
* Too many menu icon applications? No problem! You can hide moveAddict’s icon and forget about it, it will only show again when you cut a file.
Seems to be a good alternative until Apple gets their crap together. Well... a boy can dream, I suppose.

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Sounds like its well worth the $5.99 for people who want PC functionality.
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If you want, you can always use "Pathfinder". I found it very user friendly. Drag and drop is easy.
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Sounds like its well worth the $5.99 for people who want PC functionality.
If they want PC functionality, stick with Windows. Seriously. A Mac isn't Windows and isn't meant to be. Either learn to use it as designed or be prepared to end up frustrated like the OP.

As for the mouse, I can sympathize. I solved that issue on both my Mac and my Windows boxes by switching to trackballs instead of mice. Never looked back.

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If you want, you can always use "Pathfinder". I found it very user friendly. Drag and drop is easy.
I actually second that. I've messed with it and while I don't use it I can see where some would.


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If they want PC functionality, stick with Windows. Seriously. A Mac isn't Windows and isn't meant to be.
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Yeah yeah... NOBODY ever wants to admit that this is a fatal flaw of OS X's Finder. It really needs to be updated very badly !
It's obviously not only Windows users that can't understand why basic functionality is missing.

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+1 for pathfinder. It is expensive but here are the file management features I miss from other OSes
-Cut and Paste
-Customizable context menu
-Smart sorting (i.e. put all folders first -> then sort)
-tabs
-Open With context menu actually useful (shows what can open it, also shows running programs, finally can get to full application menu)
-Split file manager - on top of tabs
-Cover flow can be used with any view (i.e. list view so I can see the file info and still see the coverflow preview)
-Show/hide hidden files with a menu click or hotkey
-Shortcuts/favorite menu with drop-down
-Dropstack to help operate on multiple files (which is what the OP is complaining about)
(It does a whole pile of other stuff but this is the top level stuff that I miss from other OSes)

Go get the demo - If you do a lot of file manipulation you'll love it.

On the other hand - the Mac paradigm is application centric - all files should be managed through the program that accesses the file. I.E. - iphoto for photos, imovie for movies, itunes for music, Just use the program for the file to manage the file. This goes back to the "use the Mac as intended" - that being said I bought Pathfinder.
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If they want PC functionality, stick with Windows. Seriously. A Mac isn't Windows and isn't meant to be. Either learn to use it as designed or be prepared to end up frustrated like the OP.

As for the mouse, I can sympathize. I solved that issue on both my Mac and my Windows boxes by switching to trackballs instead of mice. Never looked back.



I actually second that. I've messed with it and while I don't use it I can see where some would.
As much as I agree with the "OS X isn't Windows" mantra, I disagree with the fact that adding the missing functionality in Finder would make OS X anything like Windows. It's two separate issues. Apple, in trying so hard to prove that they don't do things like everybody else, sometimes cut off their nose to spite their face. So they've put patents on certain OS attributes and functionality, which are less desirable to the end user anyway? Not much sense there.

Pathfinder is ok I guess, but to have to run an extra application in order to gain such simple functions which should be inherent in the OS, is a waste. Just redundantly eating up resources.. blah.

And as far as learning to use it as it has been designed to be used... the basic fact is that it's both clumsy and inefficient. Clumsy because if you use spring loaded folders in one Finder window, it's entirely possible to miss your mark consistently. And inefficient because the alternative is to open several windows rather than use tabs or other much more efficient methods as seen in other Nix OS's. NOT just Windows. You're seeming to leave out that those other methods aren't attributes of Windows only.

"Be different. Even if it's inconvenient". Sweet, I'm all in !

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And as far as learning to use it as it has been designed to be used... the basic fact is that it's both clumsy and inefficient. Clumsy because if you use spring loaded folders in one Finder window, it's entirely possible to miss your mark consistently. And inefficient because the alternative is to open several windows rather than use tabs or other much more efficient methods as seen in other Nix OS's. NOT just Windows. You're seeming to leave out that those other methods aren't attributes of Windows only.
And yet so many of us who use both systems daily don't have problems. Seriosly, I know a number of Mac users who just don't seem to have an issue with this. Maybe it's not a majority of Mac users out there but it seems to me that this is not one of the big deals to the average user. You're mileage may vary and that's ok.


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And yet so many of us who use both systems daily don't have problems. Seriosly, I know a number of Mac users who just don't seem to have an issue with this. Maybe it's not a majority of Mac users out there but it seems to me that this is not one of the big deals to the average user.
That's me, without the "seem to" part.
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