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Has anyone used an i5 model?

I've had 3 more imacs stolen and had to replace them again.

Last time they were stolen I got stuck with 10.6 in a production environment, no good.

This time I cant even revert back to 10.5 though. Obviously no drivers for the i5 setup.

Anyway, now I'm absolutely stuck using 10.6 with the constant crashing issues and font db corrupting issues that do not seem to have been addressed.

But now I have several new problems with the 10.6.2 that came on these machines.

All of our AFP file privileges have come off the rails. The machines report different users/owners than the Mac Server. Close to a terabyte of files becoming unusable. Not to mention an entire production facility nearly stopping because we have no output from the art dept and have to rely on our web developer to manipulate file on his Win 7 machine.
File privs look fine on the Windows machines and they work fine there through SMB.

SMB on the 10.6 machines absolutely crawls.

10.5.4 Mac SERVER 20+ users / 3 i5 iMacs 4gigs 10.6.2 all with CS4. 1 coreDuo imac with 10.5 works fine on AFP except the files created by the 10.6 machines.

I'm stuck, people's livelihoods at stake here, anyone got a clue. Other than switch brands.

Why does AFP fall apart on 10.6? Also do they not seem to be creep compared to coreDuo machines? The art dept whined their way back into Macs again but now they are completely up in arms about how slow these are. Sorry to come off sounding ****** but after catching it coming and going plus 30k in macs only to get the absolute run around calling Apple I'm really hoping these get stolen to.
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Upgrade the machines to 10.6.3 - it's been out for a while now, and it has really hit its stride. Why are you on 10.6.2? :-P
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and it has really hit its stride
What exactly does that mean?

Did the update change form somewhere in the middle?

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Why are you on 10.6.2
Because thats unfortunately what they came with. Being in a production environment we have to hold everything to standards and we have never, and never will, blindly update. Introduction of more unknowns will rarely ever fix problems. Blindly updating is absolutely foolish unless beta is in the name.

Is there any known reason to update to 10.6.3 that applies to my issues? Does this update specifically address the issue with improper user privs on AFP or has it changed the constant corruption of the font db ? No. It list no such fixes so why move forward into more unknowns?
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Well, you're running a seriously out-of-date server OS and a slightly out-of-date client OS. I doubt anyone could pinpoint where your issue is, since that combination of client and server have probably never been tested with one another.

You've got the better-the-bugs-we-know-about-than-the-bugs-we-don't attitude. You've just found out the downside of that approach. If you have enough time and spare machines, you might want to try building a test network and finding out if the latest patches work better or not. If not, you're on your own. Good luck.
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Well, you're running a seriously out-of-date server OS and a slightly out-of-date client OS. I doubt anyone could pinpoint where your issue is, since that combination of client and server have probably never been tested with one another.
They only have one interaction, AFP. It's not as if we are comparing kernel mods here.



Its AFP. Its the only thing Apple does. Plus theres plenty of reports of 10.6.3 causing problems with AFP even though nothing reported in the changelog about AFP. Doesn't mean some other "fix" doesn't cause the issue. Which is my exact point as to not update unless you are sure its going to fix a problem and not gain more.

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You've got the better-the-bugs-we-know-about-than-the-bugs-we-don't attitude
Yes, thats called production.


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You've just found out the downside of that approach
Downside? So if I update all these put the server on the exact newest version you are guaranteeing me no issues at with AFP as it was with the same server version I run now and 10.5.8 on the client? Because there seems to be plenty of post 10.6.3 update AFP problems out there MacWindows: Snow Leopard and File Sharing Tips and Reports


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If you have enough time and spare machines, you might want to try building a test network and finding out if the latest patches work better or not
Forgive me but I thought spending 30k for Apple products bought me that. Tested materials.

So it seems theres this crazy duality here:

If I dont have the newest versions I've brought this on myself even though people with the version I'm suppose to have complain about the exact same issue and theres nothing to indicate a fix within the changelog- also if I insist on production level quality then I'm to purchase more machines and emulate my entire setup while testing the various versions to find some that might work together?

Basically I have to wait for the chance that the update gods might deem my very expensive machines worthy of working as expected and if not then I'm on my own. Wait that sounds , yes, exactly like Apple service calls. I can't believe this is considered a usable OS.

Look I need answers and not wishful thinking or beliefs. Is there anyone here that knows about AFP? More so exactly where does the user privs get handed off to the client. Is there a debug function? Is there somewhere else I should be looking.

Google never seems to turn up any answers only the same questions.
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About the Mac OS X v10.6.3 Update
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Have you read any of these posts?

Here right after your first mention of the magic "update".

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Is there any known reason to update to 10.6.3 that applies to my issues? Does this update specifically address the issue with improper user privs on AFP or has it changed the constant corruption of the font db ? No. It list no such fixes so why move forward into more unknowns?
Note the big "No" in the middle there right after the question if the update specifically fixes any of these issues. That signifies, that unlike some, I actually read the changelog and in fact it does not mention any changes to AFP authentication.

From the 10.6.3 update changelog:

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File Services fixes provided for:

* an issue that could prevent saving files from Microsoft Office 2008 to an SMB server volume.
* issues copying, renaming or deleting files on an SMB server volume.
* clear-text authentication enabling to an SMB file server.
Quit padding your post count by regurgitating the same thing. If someone has any real info please share but quit with the updates unless you know for sure it actually fixes whats wrong.

Does anyone know anything about AFP other than hoping updates fix problems? Where would I get a version number running on the server?
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Because your so unrelenting and bitter perhaps it would behoove you to contact an Apple specialist to troubleshoot this problem onsite..instead of a forum....
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If you are using the Mac's for business critical use hopefully you have some sort of a support contract in place, in which case you should definitely contact Apple to help you out..

The forum members are knowledgeable and the suggestions about upgrading to the latest OS usually fixes the problems for most personal Mac users. Your environment being different means that the normal things we'd suggest wouldn't work for you or could be risky..

So save the attitude and see if Apple can help you out since you've invested a significant amount of money in their product..

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Hey joe... I do production. I don't know what type of production you're doing, and I'm sorry you're having issues with your AFP crap, but drop the attitude, or you will get no help from anyone. Jerk off.
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Because your so unrelenting and bitter perhaps it would behoove you to contact an Apple specialist to troubleshoot this problem onsite..instead of a forum....
I'm only here because options 1,2, and 3 all failed.

Do you really think this is the first place I've sought information on this?

I was pointed to various forums by Apple techs who had no answers. Which is kind of strange, so many users so few answers.

Sadly the only the "Apple specialist" seem to be able to carry out is a .. ,you guessed it, reinstall and update. The smarter ones have suggested common sense. " If this version doesn't work go back to the one that did." Which would be so awesome but no, that can't work with the products at hand. Again no 10.5 for i5.


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If you are using the Mac's for business critical use hopefully you have some sort of a support contract in place, in which case you should definitely contact Apple to help you out..

The forum members are knowledgeable and the suggestions about upgrading to the latest OS usually fixes the problems for most personal Mac users. Your environment being different means that the normal things we'd suggest wouldn't work for you or could be risky..

So save the attitude and see if Apple can help you out since you've invested a significant amount of money in their product..

Regards
Again, same thing. I'm here because it was suggested someone might have a clue.


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Hey joe... I do production. I don't know what type of production you're doing, and I'm sorry you're having issues with your AFP crap, but drop the attitude, or you will get no help from anyone. Jerk off.
You instantly chime in at obviously critical moment for my business with a flippant attitude towards my lack updating, also stating that a update can "hit a stride" with what clearly seems zero prior knowledge of the contents of 10.6.3. Do you really have to wonder why that got a response?

Point is I've been dealing with nothing but absolute fanboyism since I started down this road. Which is unfortunate as I'm sure there are plenty of intelligent people who actually understand the various points and protocols of Mac OSX. Just the ones I interact with all seem to have their blinders on. The few people here that have dealt with Mac-by dealt I mean used-all seemed to have like it when it didn't leave them stranded.

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you will get no help from anyone. Jerk off
Well you've already took care of your part in that. On both counts.

Its is pretty sad looking back at this. You all are so falsely smug about this OS but none of you seem to have a clue. These are just a few the many reasons OSX or Apple for that matter will never make in the corporate world. The cheapest hardware in the shiniest case with a limited OS with even more limited knowledge base will never capture that market. These machines, the OS , and now looking at it the superfluous fanaticism that spews forth , can only cement the already shifting views of the public.

Have fun wading in your own self made majesty .
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This thread has gone far enough. It's beginning to devolve quickly and I can see no reason to let it go on any further. If you wish to continue the discussions between each other, use PM.

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