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    I want to make sure I'm absolutely safe. Long, and lots of questions!
    I am sure everyone things I'm extremely paranoid. I am definitely guilty as charged and can say nothing to the contrary. I am definitely trying to give up my paranoia for good and I'm hoping with this thread and some help/advice I can do so. Please bear with me and help me if you can. If I can get this and any other questions I have resolved I won't be making threads like this anymore (and please mods, don't ban me to make sure of that).

    I was fearful several days ago that iAntivirus couldn't be trusted and that it may have installed something bad on my computer. I was also a bit worried about my computer making "the Funk" noise at a time when it usually wouldn't. I decided that I was going to reformat and completely drop the antivirus software. No more iAntivirus, no more ClamXav, etc. Something strange happened though.

    When I reformatted I ran software update and the updates downloaded and I was told I needed to restart. So I did and it was on the screen showing the progress bar and then it turned to the blue screen with the spinning gear when it was done. However, it was taking what in my opinion was a VERY long time on this blue screen with the turning gear. It never took this long before to go from the blue turning gear screen to restart the computer. Any idea why it would take so much longer than it seemed to before?

    After it took what seemed like an eternity I pressed the reset/power button, which I probably shouldn't have. After the computer restarted it seemed like it was slow. I then became worried that because I shut the computer off on the blue turning gear screen that the software updates didn't get installed correctly. If they weren't installed correctly that would mean the security updates weren't installed. I was stupid enough to browse the internet after this and I'm worried that my computer and router could have been at risk if these updates weren't properly installed. How much of a risk would I be at if the updates weren't installed correctly and I was browsing the internet? Is there any way to tell for sure if updates were installed correctly?

    Being at the blue turning gear screen for so long really worried me. So did the thought that things didn't get installed correctly and that I had messed things up by turning the computer off on the blue turning gear screen. So I once again reformatted and once again I was on the blue turning gear screen for what seemed like a very long time. During this time I unplugged my router because I didn't want to be on the internet while my computer seemed frozen in time. My computer was on the bed during this time and the router was on the floor. I may have bumped the bed while going to unplug the router. If I did that or if the computer got jostled a bit would that have caused something to not install correctly? It was on the blue turning gear screen while I unplugged the router and may have bumped the bed or jostled the computer.

    The computer eventually did restart. I noticed this after I ate dinner and came back upstairs. I downloaded Firefox, but noticed something strange. According to Firefox the size of the download was listed as 17.6 MB. When it was downloading in Safari it was listed as 18.6 MB. When I right clicked the install file once it was downloaded it was listed as 19.6 MB. Why in the world would I be seeing 3 different file sizes?

    If anyone here is using Firefox besides me could you click the bookmark menu and take a picture of it and post it here? It looks different then I remember it looking last time. Maybe there was an update or maybe I just forgot what it looked like, but I want to make sure things are on the up and up.

    I have more questions but provided I don't get banned I'd like to ask those questions after these get answered. And yes I know I'm paranoid and have been told so before, but if I can get an explanation I would greatly appreciate it. One reason I may be so paranoid is I don't understand these things enough. It's one thing to say it's fine or not fine, but if I know why something is fine or not fine maybe I wouldn't be so darn paranoid. Thanks for your time and your patience. I really really appreciate.

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    I don't have any expert answers to your questions, but why would you have a computer, presumably a notebook, on a bed? Cloth covering the cooling vents? Not good.

    Re Firefox. You need to know what version of Firefox was on your computer before and what version you installed now. Different versions? Perhaps Firefox changed the way it presents the Bookmarks in the newest version.

    If your router has a firewall and that firewall is 'on' I don't think anything is going to get to your computer. In any event, unless you are super rich and have all your financial passwords and account numbers on your computer, nothing on your computer is worth stealing!!!!!! By the way, for safety don't put your financial records on your computer.

    Relax, computer viruses don't infect humans, and they don't infect Mac computers!!!

    If you really can't relax about all this computer stuff, get an 8 1/2 x 11 pad and pencil. No computer problems any more!!! LOL

    My real suggestion is to take your computer and router to an expert and let them set up both. Then take them home, use and enjoy them. And DON'T download any more programs or AV or anything. Just do email, surf, or whatever. If by some remote chance they get messed up, take them back to the expert for a fix.

    It sure would help the real experts here on this site if you would fill in your profile as to what computer, OS, ram, etc. you have. That info is available by clicking the apple (upper left corner of the screen).

    Larry H

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    I will note - major software updates (ie: if your install software is 10.6, and you need to update to 10.6.3) can take a long time on reboot for everything to finish its configuration/permission settings/etc and may actually require the system to reboot more then once.

    Jostling a computer usually won't cause a problem with an update - unless your hard drives head crashes into the platter at that point, where you really no longer have to worry about the OS install anyway as the HD is toast - or unless you have no battery in the system, running on AC power and somehow disconnect the AC or something similar. Granted, I (as pointed out by Larry H) wouldn't recommend leaving the laptop on the bed while running like you did as you are more likely to block the air vents ultimately possibly causing the system to overheat..
    My Macs: Late 2013 rMBP w/ 750m, 16Gig ram; 2013 Mac Pro 6 core w/ D700, 16Gig Ram; Mac mini G4, 1.25 GHz, 512m ram (server); Late 2011 11" MBA, 1.8GHz i7, 4Gig Ram, 256Gig SSD, HD3000; Powerbook 12" G4 1.33GHz running Linux; Apple TV (1080p version)

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    I am sure everyone things I'm extremely paranoid. I am definitely guilty as charged and can say nothing to the contrary. I am definitely trying to give up my paranoia for good and I'm hoping with this thread and some help/advice I can do so. Please bear with me and help me if you can. If I can get this and any other questions I have resolved I won't be making threads like this anymore (and please mods, don't ban me to make sure of that).
    I'm sure quite a few do think you are paranoid. Remember, just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you LOL. Not to be mean, but I thought you might want this....all in good fun


    I was fearful several days ago that iAntivirus couldn't be trusted and that it may have installed something bad on my computer. I was also a bit worried about my computer making "the Funk" noise at a time when it usually wouldn't. I decided that I was going to reformat and completely drop the antivirus software. No more iAntivirus, no more ClamXav, etc. Something strange happened though.
    Best thing you could have done...getting rid of the antivirus crap. No viruses exist in the wild for Mac OS. It was just bogging your system down.

    When I reformatted I ran software update and the updates downloaded and I was told I needed to restart. So I did and it was on the screen showing the progress bar and then it turned to the blue screen with the spinning gear when it was done. However, it was taking what in my opinion was a VERY long time on this blue screen with the turning gear. It never took this long before to go from the blue turning gear screen to restart the computer. Any idea why it would take so much longer than it seemed to before?
    With a fresh install, I am betting there were a lot of updates to be installed. This may take a bit of time depending on the number and what the updates were.

    After it took what seemed like an eternity I pressed the reset/power button, which I probably shouldn't have. After the computer restarted it seemed like it was slow. I then became worried that because I shut the computer off on the blue turning gear screen that the software updates didn't get installed correctly. If they weren't installed correctly that would mean the security updates weren't installed. I was stupid enough to browse the internet after this and I'm worried that my computer and router could have been at risk if these updates weren't properly installed. How much of a risk would I be at if the updates weren't installed correctly and I was browsing the internet? Is there any way to tell for sure if updates were installed correctly?
    Not a good idea to use the power switch like that especially when doing updates. That can really mess up the OS, and if it was during a Firmware update, could kill the system. I'm glad it didn't. Your router most likely has a hardware firewall built into it that will protect your system. I doubt there was any serious risk, if any at all, while you were on the net.

    Being at the blue turning gear screen for so long really worried me. So did the thought that things didn't get installed correctly and that I had messed things up by turning the computer off on the blue turning gear screen. So I once again reformatted and once again I was on the blue turning gear screen for what seemed like a very long time. During this time I unplugged my router because I didn't want to be on the internet while my computer seemed frozen in time. My computer was on the bed during this time and the router was on the floor. I may have bumped the bed while going to unplug the router. If I did that or if the computer got jostled a bit would that have caused something to not install correctly? It was on the blue turning gear screen while I unplugged the router and may have bumped the bed or jostled the computer.
    Probably not a bad idea that you did another fresh install and let the updates run their course this time. That will have replaced any files that may have been corrupted when you killed the power. I don't think you needed to unplug the router as it has a firewall to keep your system protected. I also don't think that bumping the bed will have had any effect and installing the updates.

    The computer eventually did restart. I noticed this after I ate dinner and came back upstairs. I downloaded Firefox, but noticed something strange. According to Firefox the size of the download was listed as 17.6 MB. When it was downloading in Safari it was listed as 18.6 MB. When I right clicked the install file once it was downloaded it was listed as 19.6 MB. Why in the world would I be seeing 3 different file sizes?
    I don't know why the Firefox .dmg shows as three different sizes. I downloaded it through Safari as a test and had the same results as you, 17.6MB on the website, 18.6MB according to Safari, and 19.6MB on disk. I know I don't have a virus and have not been hacked. I don't have an explanation for it either.

    If anyone here is using Firefox besides me could you click the bookmark menu and take a picture of it and post it here? It looks different then I remember it looking last time. Maybe there was an update or maybe I just forgot what it looked like, but I want to make sure things are on the up and up.
    This is my Bookmarks Menu



    I hope I have been able to help some.

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    Here we go again....

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    New2TheMac, stop the paranoia. Sell the Mac to someone who will actually enjoy it, get a windows box and let your paranoia have a real target. You'll be happier, we'll be happier and your poor, tortured Mac will be happier.

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    A major thank you already for having answered my questions and given me advice.

    Let me explain the laptop/bed setup. Right as we speak I'm sitting on the bed with my laptop. Under the laptop is a wooden board. So it wasn't just sitting on top of the sheet, but do you think it would be harmful to continue using my laptop on top of the wooden board while on my bed? This wooden board by the way is rectangular shaped and wider on all sides than the laptop. Not sure if that makes a difference or not.

    Somewhere I did write down what version comes on my Macbook by default. I got this thing is January and I'm guessing this model has been out for a while, so it probably was running several versions behind. I forget what the total update size was but I know it was 1 GB. When I did my lastest and hopefully last reformat I didn't install the programs on the applications disc because at this moment I don't plan to use Garage Band. The update size was smaller than before when I had those installed. I think it was 1.16 GB then. Would not having install the applications on the application disc be the reason the updates were smaller in your opinion?

    I know that when I last fiddled with my router the firewall was on, plus I have the software firewall on. So I'm hoping that offers me a good deal of security. But there is something I'm a bit worried about. I know that Macs don't get viruses, but the thought crossed my mind that since I used this router with a windows computer before and am now using it with a Mac that routers are cross platform or a format of their own. I recently read that there was something called the Chuck Norris botnet (I swear I'm not making this up or passing on an internet meme). Supposedly the Chuck Norris botnet could infect a router, and I've heard even before I read about this that routers could get infected. So I'm wondering, even if my Mac is safe which I hope and pray it is, what is to keep a router from getting infected? How do routers get infected anyway?

    My Firefox bookmark section looks like yours does in the picture minus some of the bookmarks Thank you for posting that picture.

    I'm also glad that the Firefox download size difference didn't just happen to me. I'm still curious why there are three different sizes, but at least I know this isn't a problem exclusive to me. Not that I want this happening to anyone else, but you know what I mean.

    Speaking of Firefox, I've know since who knows how many reformats ago that you don't need to enter your administrator password to install it. When I was using iAntivirus and ClamXav I did have to enter my password to install those. With the bulk of the software updates I did enter my password to install them, but with the last update I did which included a security update mind you, I didn't have to enter my password. With the few trojans that are out there supposedly they can only get installed if you enter your password. Now what is to keep a trojan or any other internet nasty from being installed when things like Firefox, Adium, and a security update don't need a password to install?

    Another question I have is about Airport. When I reformatted it was on by default as it always has been when I've reformatted. So I turned it off ASAP, but during that time would a person have been able to connect to my computer? I'm guessing they may have needed my password to do so, but say if they did have, would I have had any idea that they connected to my computer?

    Edit: I just saw your posts DaFlake and jakerich. Let me absolutely assure you that I hate hate HATE making these topics, doing so many reformats, and being so paranoid. With this topic I'm trying to come to terms with it all, make sense of it, and put the paranoia to bed for good. I'm hoping that with this topic and the help of explanations that this will do it. These have been a past few miserable days and I'm trying to look ahead to nice ones with my Mac. So please know that I'm not trying to be a pest, and please know that I'm very thankful for you and everyone else for giving me their time and help.

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    I agree with Nethfel's and also a lot of Chef_eam's advice.

    How long did it sit at the blue screen when restarting? 1 Minute? 5 Minutes? With a lot of major updates it can take a bit to shut down. You should have not pressed power unless it was like 1 hour or something.

    I also agree it's not good to keep a modern notebook on a bed with bedding for very long. Bottom heats up a lot.

    On Firefox do not worry about it. I feel Mozilla is reporting the size wrong. Also remember the way OSX 10.6 shows filesizes compared to 10.5 and before and Windows is very different. Look up Base-10 and Base-2.

    I also agree with Chef_eam, erase the drive and reinstall again and this time after the install and it's running, repair permissions with Disk Utility. Then let the updates install and do NOT shut it down.

    Report back and let us know how it goes.

    You are being way to paranoid. Not trying to hurt or bash you, but calm down.


    Edit: I just downloaded the latest Firefox. Same file sizes you got. iMac G5 iSight with 10.5.8. It's Mozilla reporting the filesize incorrectly. Only difference is file on HDD matches what Safari said. That is because 10.5 is reporting file sizes different than 10.6 like I said above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtravis7 View Post

    How long did it sit at the blue screen when restarting? 1 Minute? 5 Minutes? With a lot of major updates it can take a bit to shut down. You should have not pressed power unless it was like 1 hour or something.

    I also agree it's not good to keep a modern notebook on a bed with bedding for very long. Bottom heats up a lot.

    On Firefox do not worry about it. I feel Mozilla is reporting the size wrong. Also remember the way OSX 10.6 shows filesizes compared to 10.5 and before and Windows is very different. Look up Base-10 and Base-2.

    I also agree with Chef_eam, erase the drive and reinstall again and this time after the install and it's running, repair permissions with Disk Utility. Then let the updates install and do NOT shut it down.

    Report back and let us know how it goes.

    You are being way to paranoid. Not trying to hurt or bash you, but calm down.
    When I did the latest reformat I'm guessing it took more than 10 minutes while on the blue screen with the turning gear. On the latest reformat I didn't touch the power button, though I did unplug the router. Before this reformat I did repair permissions and zeroed out the hard drive and deleted the partition. Do you think I should do another reformat or should this be good?

    Edit: And back to the blue screen with the turning gear. While I'm guessing it may have taken longer than 10 minutes I can't say for sure. It seemed like it was going to take a while and that it may not switch at all, so I unplugged the router and went downstairs and had dinner. When I came back up the computer was sitting at the desktop.

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    It did eventually restart though? If so, don't worry about it. It will be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtravis7 View Post
    It did eventually restart though? If so, don't worry about it. It will be fine.
    Yes it did. I can't say for certain how long it took, but when I had given up on it and had dinner it was sitting on the desktop when I came back up. Fingers crossed that it's all good!

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    Let me explain the laptop/bed setup. Right as we speak I'm sitting on the bed with my laptop. Under the laptop is a wooden board. So it wasn't just sitting on top of the sheet, but do you think it would be harmful to continue using my laptop on top of the wooden board while on my bed? This wooden board by the way is rectangular shaped and wider on all sides than the laptop. Not sure if that makes a difference or not.
    Thats's fine!

    As for the rest, not going to waste my time answering any of that, as it will only lead to more novels of paranoia rather than peace of mind for you.

    I've had Macs for years! No viruses, no trojans, no malware of any sort.
    These Hackers that you mention in every thread of yours... Who are you? A major banking corporation, a government agency, facebook perhaps? Seriously, are you listening to yourself?

    If I were you, as advised so many times by so many members here (majority of which are long time Mac users), just enjoy your Mac, and as long as you don't download and install and illegal software, or porn, and you have your wireless internet password protected, you have nothing to worry about!
    This is not one of those techie, trojan filled, virus infected, hacking movies.

    I probably shouldn't say this, as it will give you a whole new thing to freak out about, but I'd be more worried about using your bankcard at an ATM, for the fear that the machine could have a skimming device connected

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6string View Post
    Thats's fine!

    As for the rest, not going to waste my time answering any of that, as it will only lead to more novels of paranoia rather than peace of mind for you.

    I've had Macs for years! No viruses, no trojans, no malware of any sort.
    These Hackers that you mention in every thread of yours... Who are you? A major banking corporation, a government agency, facebook perhaps? Seriously, are you listening to yourself?

    If I were you, as advised so many times by so many members here (majority of which are long time Mac users), just enjoy your Mac, and as long as you don't download and install and illegal software, or porn, and you have your wireless internet password protected, you have nothing to worry about!
    This is not one of those techie, trojan filled, virus infected, hacking movies.

    I probably shouldn't say this, as it will give you a whole new thing to freak out about, but I'd be more worried about using your bankcard at an ATM, for the fear that the machine could have a skimming device connected
    In regards to the hackers I mention I can't say that I know or that I feel like I'm being targeted by hackers. I certainly hope I'm not since I've done nothing to my knowledge to hurt or anger anyone. And I try not to hang around any bad places and I don't illegally download software or give my password out for just anything.

    However, I want to make sure that I've done enough to stay safe. Windows and Macs are definitely 2 different beasts, but I recall hearing how Windows XP computers which weren't up to date were getting infected just by a person going on the internet. Now when I reformatted I of course didn't have the latest version on my Macbook, but I had to connect to the internet to get the latest updates. At least one of those was a security update, so I'm just curious what dangers there are to a non up to date Mac on the internet. Provided the updates installed correctly I seem to be up to date, but without the security updates what danger was there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6string View Post


    I probably shouldn't say this, as it will give you a whole new thing to freak out about, but I'd be more worried about using your bankcard at an ATM, for the fear that the machine could have a skimming device connected
    OH...NO This could go on......and on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New2TheMac View Post
    ... but without the security updates what danger was there?
    NONE!. Have you been reading the replies!
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