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OS X stability: insane!


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I was reading a thread in the Rumors forum about Snow Leopard 10.6.3, and the potential for Apple to bolster the stability of OS X. It made me think: how could this OS be any more stable?

I've had my MB for a bit over a month now, and have yet to experience one application crash, let alone an OS crash. Let me take that back, I think I locked up the DVD burning app on day 3 or so. But I have yet to see any one app become totally unresponsive or die since, and have never received an error from OS X.

Meanwhile, I just had to install some patches on my work laptop (XP Pro), and when starting the reboot - ta-da - "this program is not responding". I think I see that on a daily basis, not to mention coping w/memory leaks in Windows apps like IE & Outlook.

I appreciate the Mac OS more & more each day for it's intuitive nature, in addition to the stability. OS X is a fortress, while Windows seems to be made of spit & tissue paper. If there was ever a point where I told myself I'll never ever go back to Windows for personal computing, this is it.

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Yes you are right. OS X is known for it's stability. But nothing is perfect. It's just each patch of OS X gets closer and ever closer to ths hypothetical perfect.
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The only problems I had with anything on Snow Leopard (6.2) is with Microsoft Office.
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I'm platform neutral. I enjoy them all. In my experience it's just a matter of taking the time to learn the OS you are using. In the last five years I've not had a crash or blue screen with windows. I've enjoyed total stability and speed. I've also enjoyed that same experience with Linux. So, while I have a personal preference for a mac, its not based on stability, as that's never been a problem for me. Yet that said, macs are easier for computer novices as there is less to learn. For those that don't like to read or learn, nothing beats a mac. They're great.
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My MAcbook is almost a month old too. I have installed a boatload of software, and not a single problem or crash!
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What I like best about macs is the tight integration between the OS and mac apps. The look & feel, the overall way the GUI functions, its like Linux with the only downside being unlike Linux, you have no ability to customize and tailor the OS. But setting that aside, everything else is very nice. Apples slick hardware design is also stellar. A complete package that illustrates the positive side of controlling the hardware and software.
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Yes you are right. OS X is known for it's stability. But nothing is perfect. It's just each patch of OS X gets closer and ever closer to ths hypothetical perfect.
Absolutely and this is true of any operating system that receives regular updates (regardless of how much closer those updates get the OS to the "theoretical perfect stability").

To the OP: I'm glad that you've had a great experience with OS X but you need to be aware of two things: you've only been using it for a month and if it does crash, you're likely to be more frustrated than normal if you elevate OS X to a level of stability that it may or may not deserve. I do agree that it is more stable but it is still a piece of software. I can guarantee that one day OS X will go south on you.

As for the memory leaks, those can very well exist outside of Office apps. Firefox was (and may still be) notorious for leaking memory. Something to consider.

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The quickness of going to sleep and waking up is one of the main reasons I fell in love with Mac OS X. I don't reboot my laptop for months at a time.
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I'm platform neutral. I enjoy them all. In my experience it's just a matter of taking the time to learn the OS you are using. In the last five years I've not had a crash or blue screen with windows. I've enjoyed total stability and speed. I've also enjoyed that same experience with Linux. So, while I have a personal preference for a mac, its not based on stability, as that's never been a problem for me. Yet that said, macs are easier for computer novices as there is less to learn. For those that don't like to read or learn, nothing beats a mac. They're great.
What are you basing this on? Do you know how to script in bash? Do you know all of the hotkeys for your mac? Do you know all of the features?

How much is there to learn for windows? It's not that there is an overwhelming amount of knowledge. It's the fact that to do something simple like figure out what graphics hardware your machine has, you have to go to control panels, then Display Adapters... why would the graphics card be listed under display adapters instead of under GRAPHICS. It's stupid backward crap like that that makes Windows less accessible to the mainstream user.

There's less REQUIRED learning. There is a wealth of knowledge involved in the Mac OS, though, and I'm rather offended that you would suggest otherwise.

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Again, clearly you're unaware, since you say that you can't customize the OS like you can with linux... you totally can. It's not that hard.
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What are you basing this on?
Personal experience of over 15yrs, as a computer scientist with a Masters from MIT (Google it if you don't know what MIT is)
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Do you know how to script in bash?
Yes
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Do you know all of the hotkeys for your mac? Do you know all of the features?
Just about after a month of ownership.
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How much is there to learn for windows?
As much as one wants to learn
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It's not that there is an overwhelming amount of knowledge. It's the fact that to do something simple like figure out what graphics hardware your machine has, you have to go to control panels, then Display Adapters... why would the graphics card be listed under display adapters instead of under GRAPHICS. It's stupid backward crap like that that makes Windows less accessible to the mainstream user.
That's merely your opinion. This is a forum of public opinion. Don't like mine? Ignore it.
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There's less REQUIRED learning. There is a wealth of knowledge involved in the Mac OS, though, and I'm rather offended that you would suggest otherwise.

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Again, clearly you're unaware, since you say that you can't customize the OS like you can with linux... you totally can.
Your wrong.
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I've only had my MBP the last 3 months since being a Windows user for years. What I've found with my limited experience with Mac is; it's not really about being easier or harder with Window. Everything becomes easy once you learn how to do it. It seems to me, in most cases, you get results more quickly with most things that you do on the Mac. Whether visually or task wise. There's less clutter of information compare to Windows. If I'm a control freak that wants to know everything at all times and have the ability to pick and choose my way through the operating system, I think Window is perfectly fine.

OS X on the other hand tend to 'get on with it'. If I want it to do something, it tries to get to the results quickly with minimal interaction with the user (ahem...dialog boxes) That's not to say it gives the right results every time, but it tries to be efficient. Some may mistaken this 'efficiency' as catering to computer novice.

It comes down to your preference of how you want to do your computing. I'm at the stage where I'm not really curious anymore, I already know how 'it works'. I just want to do it and get results.
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Personal experience of over 15yrs, as a computer scientist with a Masters from MIT (Google it if you don't know what MIT is)

Your wrong.
You mean you're wrong.

Does MIT have an English as a First Language course?
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I would say OS X is more stable than Windows. A lot more stable.

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Absolutely and this is true of any operating system that receives regular updates (regardless of how much closer those updates get the OS to the "theoretical perfect stability").
Heck no. I think Vista was a step backward and was worse then XP. Not always does a future patch mean a better OS. But that one well known example aside your generally right.

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I think OS X is really stable because of how it is made. For 95% of daily operations yo uinstall your app and use it. That's it. Simple as pie. But for other OSes you have to configure this and run that and fiddle with this before you can even open up the program to use it. And all of that fiddling can cause issues to people who don't know what they're doing.

And less need to fiddle with the working of an OS = less chance for things to be screwed up which = more stable OS.
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Personal experience of over 15yrs, as a computer scientist with a Masters from MIT (Google it if you don't know what MIT is)

Yes

Just about after a month of ownership.

As much as one wants to learn

That's merely your opinion. This is a forum of public opinion. Don't like mine? Ignore it.

Your wrong.
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Well aren't you just adorable.

I'm so wrong that I'm staring at a customized version of OS X right now, with custom icons, dock, and other themes, and have successfully modded before to have my menu bar black... maybe linux makes it easier, but linux isn't trying to create a unified look between their hardware and software.

If you really want to wave the fact that you have a degree from MIT in computer science, and then have the audacity to suggest that I don't know what MIT is, feel free, but it really speaks volumes about your lack of quality as a human being.

You posted on a forum. You don't like having a response to your misguided opinion? Too bad.
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