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ok i think i am a bit lost in the thinking like a windows person i suppose but why does the end button not take you to the end of a line in the sentence, and the home do vice versa? and if they dont do that what are their purposes? do they take you to the top and bottom of the page.. b/c "page up" and "page down" do that as well... please help.

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Is this on the iMac or the MBP? Makes a difference. You do have the full sized wired keyboard on the iMac right?
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You do not need those keys to do that. Control + left/right arrow will move the cursor to the beginning/end of a sentence.

Also:

Control+Shift+left/right arrow = highlight entire line

Option+left/right arrow = move the cursor left or right to a word one by one

Option+Shift+ left/right arrow = highlight a word one by one.

Shift+ left/right arrow = highlights a character one by one.

Have always used these shortcuts, I never click where I want to put the cursor

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ok i think i am a bit lost in the thinking like a windows person i suppose but why does the end button not take you to the end of a line in the sentence, and the home do vice versa? and if they dont do that what are their purposes? do they take you to the top and bottom of the page.. b/c "page up" and "page down" do that as well... please help.
After I switched to a mac I hated not being able to use Home and End (I still do). I have yet to figure out what the home and end keys are there for.

I've learned to live with it 'cause I cant remember the hot-keys that Cuhnool described. Every once in a while I will try and use them and sometimes I get lucky... Sometimes I hear the "error bonk". Other times I hit the wrong key combo's and end up in lah-lah land.

Everything about my mac I absolutely love except for that one stupid little thing.
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I am on my iMac with the full sized Aluminum keyboard and Home takes me to the beginning of this line I am typing and End to the end.
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I am on my iMac with the full sized Aluminum keyboard and Home takes me to the beginning of this line I am typing and End to the end.
How do you make it do that? Please tell.
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How do you make it do that? Please tell.
Funny thing is with the large full size apple keyboards the Home and End have always worked that here. Just on the notebooks and small keyboards where the issue shows up.

I have done nothing special. No special settings. 10.5.8 Leopard on iMac G5 and that full size Apple keyboard with the numbered keypad.
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Funny thing is with the large full size apple keyboards the Home and End have always worked that here. Just on the notebooks and small keyboards where the issue shows up.

I have done nothing special. No special settings. 10.5.8 Leopard on iMac G5 and that full size Apple keyboard with the numbered keypad.
But I have the full size on my imac. Those keys dont do anything. I even have gone in to the keyboard section in preferences and tried to remap them but it doesnt give me the option to do it...At least I didnt think it did. It's been a little while since I went there.

Did you remap them somehow?

Edit: Oh, I see, you said you didnt. I'm confused.
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But I have the full size on my imac. Those keys dont do anything. I even have gone in to the keyboard section in preferences and tried to remap them but it doesnt give me the option to do it...At least I didnt think it did. It's been a little while since I went there.

Did you remap them somehow?

Edit: Oh, I see, you said you didnt. I'm confused.
I tried them on this message and in Pages and End goes to the end of the line I am typing and Home brings it back to the beginning. Checking to see if there is some setting but found nothing so far. I know I changed nothing.
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I bought my machine used. Maybe the guy I bought it from changed something.

I seem to recall other people talking about this before and I believe I've read about it too. Oh well, I'm up too late again so I will check it out tomorrow.

In the mean time, thanks for letting me know that there is still the possibility to have them work that way.

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Before I sack-out, I copied this off a web site. I might try this tomorrow. Dont know why your keyboard is already good-to-go.

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Edit: After further investigation, I found an easier way than this. See my post that follows this one.
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O.K. So forget about that screen shot I posted above. The following method is way easier.

Visit the following page and download/run the "keyfixer" program.

KeyFixer – Fix Your OS X Home and End Keys - Starry Hope Productions

You have to restart any app's you have currently running in order for it to take effect.

Works like a charm. Except for Firefox.

For Firefox you need to go here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/9796

To have it work in Terminal: Go to Terminal -> Preferences -> Settings -> Keyboard and edit “Home” to "send string to shell" control-A, and then edit “End” to "send string to shell" control-E. See screen-shot attachments below.

Hope that helps.
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i just used the first half of the post with the keyfixer and downloaded the add-on for firefox it works fine now. i did not have to go to terminal or anything.



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i just used the first half of the post with the keyfixer and downloaded the add-on for firefox it works fine now. i did not have to go to terminal or anything.



Thanks for all the help all
Cool! Glad it worked. Sorry that was misleading. I guess I should have worded the "Terminal" part differently. What I meant to say was that if you want the Terminal application to have the same Home/End key "fix" it has to be done separately in the Terminal "preferences" area.
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A related question.

In the office (on PCs) I use Lotus Notes. In that the Insert key toggles email messages between 'read' and 'unread'. When I use my iMac - together with an XP VM session in Parallels - to connect in to this system via a VPN, I have no Insert key on my Mac keyboard. I only have a double-size Delete key.

Is there an Insert key please?
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