It is getting crazy no one will have jobs in america anymore. Other countries just charge much less for the same project to be completed
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You're aware this was all driven by consumers initially, we want MORE stuff.. in general.. and largely don't care where it's manufactured as long as we can have it. The implications of some of these items being made overseas and then shipped all over the place are staggering, but hey.. we get cheap products.. and the company still makes expanded profits. To be honest, I expect that even my engineering job will be outsourced within a decade too.
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Much of it's driven by Americans wanting more and more stuff, when they really don't need the stuff. Of course it's also because most people fail to really care where their stuff is made and who has to possibly suffer to get them their stuff at a few dollars less than someone else by competition. That's a very short and simple answer.
Much of it's driven by Americans wanting more and more stuff, when they really don't need the stuff. Of course it's also because most people fail to really care where their stuff is made and who has to possibly suffer to get them their stuff at a few dollars less than someone else by competition. That's a very short and simple answer.
In short, it sucks
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How do you make things so they can be sold cheaper?
Manufacture them in third-world countries where the employees work round the clock and get paid dirt.
Does this matter to most consumers?
Of course not, the modern consumer is a selfish beast with little or no concern for others.
People want things as fast as possible, in the exact manner they dictate, at the cheapest price they dictate and without putting forth any work on their behalf.
They have no interest in how the items get to them, so long as they get them fast and cheap.
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Bear in mind that, yes, most consumer electronics are manufactured in Asia.
10 years ago, a lot of Macs were being assembled in Ireland.
But these are then shipped to the west, where the real mark up is made at resellers and Apple stores. As Apple protect the price of their products they make a decent profit on every Mac and iPhone sold.
Have you seen how much money Apple has in the bank? Most of the money made by Apple goes to the USA, and gets spent on R&D (in California) and further extending Apple's retail presence - all primarily in the west, especially the USA.
China are very good at producing electronics, but poor at product development and innovation. As long as American companies, like Apple, can stay ahead on research and innovation, they can continue to to thrive and bring new jobs to the US.
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China is working at building innovation... and American companies are actively helping them do so.. as I said, I fully believe that my engineering job will be in China within a decade, and I'll have effectively trained them to take it.
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This is a good thread...it will hopefully educate the ignorant that spout "arrrrrgh made in t3h U5A are bestz!!, don't buy A5iAn!!"
Simple economics, it makes BOTH countries better off...
I'm sure that the massive workforce in China making cents an hour would disagree if they were shown how extensively they were being exploited. So, no, both countries are not necessarily better off. Sure, overall wealth increases but at the cost of some sort of proper distribution of wealth. The workers don't deserve to be paid what they are.
I'm sure that the massive workforce in China making cents an hour would disagree if they were shown how extensively they were being exploited. So, no, both countries are not necessarily better off. Sure, overall wealth increases but at the cost of some sort of proper distribution of wealth. The workers don't deserve to be paid what they are.
Right and they'd be so much better off if Apple decided to produce the machines here, take away those cents per hour and charge them double to buy their computers. It's not Apple's sole responsibility to right China's labour laws. It's China's.
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I'm so not getting dragged into this conversation of production...I'm having a good day after all
But on the on another note....
My 15 inch MBP came from china as well. I ordered 2 day shipping and was not happy when the tracking updated and I saw where it was coming from. It took like a full day or two just to clear customs. I'm in dallas here and the package went: china>Chicago>Some other city near by in Illinois which I dont remember now >Memphis>Dallas>Delivery.
But I have to admit that I'm still impressed that fedex got it here when they said they would. One day before it was supposed to be here it was just cleared in Chicago.
Also from all that I've read fedex has trouble getting their tracking fully up to date for you, so don't sweat it. It'll be here before you know it dude!
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I'm sure that the massive workforce in China making cents an hour would disagree if they were shown how extensively they were being exploited. So, no, both countries are not necessarily better off. Sure, overall wealth increases but at the cost of some sort of proper distribution of wealth. The workers don't deserve to be paid what they are.
The Chinese I work with are very highly educated, mostly in American Universities... They are fully aware that they make 1/3rd of our wages, but they also are well entrenched in the working class. Over all, it's completely to everyone's benefit that China grows a middle class. It will have cascading political effects that we (in the west) would find very beneficial (already has really, it'll just grow). What it does mean is that the US will have to adjust to the new paradigm, we'll have to figure out something to specialize in.. because we can't simply outproduce everyone anymore.
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