I Found the first program that locks up my mac!

ryanyogan · ryanyogan #16 (**permalink**)

02-27-2005, 02:49 PM

Its not apple its the 3rd party developer's making programs that crash it and put stuff in wrong places and ruin permissions!

dan828 · dan828 #17 (**permalink**)

02-27-2005, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ryanyogan

Its not apple its the 3rd party developer's making programs that crash it and put stuff in wrong places and ruin permissions!

Yeah! Those idiots should have know Apple's drivers didn't fully implement openGL! Just stick with Apple programs and we won't have these problems, because Apple is perfect! :bomb: Who needs third party apps?

Now just repair your permissions, that'll fix it.

Thud · Thud #18 (**permalink**)

02-27-2005, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ryanyogan

Its not apple its the 3rd party developer's making programs that crash it and put stuff in wrong places and ruin permissions!

OSX isn't supposed to let that happen... when a 3rd party program crashes, isn't the OS supposed to be able to recover gracefully? And because of the security that's inherent in OSX, why would any 3rd party application be allowed to "ruin permissions?" If that were the case, then that would indicate some SERIOUS security holes in OSX. It would be just as vulnerable to trojans as Windows is. However, that is NOT what is happening here.

(by the way, the fact that you have to "repair permissions" for so many issues leads me to question how secure/reliable OSX really is.

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This crash has been confirmed as a bug in the OSX video drivers for the ATI Radeon cards. It is not a bug in Celestia. OSX is barfing when celestia tries to use a certain OpenGL feature.
You have to disable the vertex shader feature in order for it to work.
One of the celestia developers has filed a bug report with Apple, and ATI says they are working with Apple on the issue.
I read this in the celestia forums.

dtravis7 · dtravis7 #19 (**permalink**)

02-27-2005, 05:06 PM

Did you ever think that Maybe it's ATIs drivers fault? Read the PC sites like Anandtech and watch when a new ATI driver comes out with the the problems people have. ATI drivers are known to be buggy, and it's mentioned over and over on all the most respected PC sites. So this does not suprise me in the least. I have experienced it over and over with ATI drivers on XP and 2k.

MichaelSullivan · MichaelSullivan #20 (**permalink**)

02-27-2005, 09:03 PM

Good post Thud! Thanks for letting us know how to keep Celestia working till Apple/ ATI resolves this.

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ryanyogan #16 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	02-27-2005, 02:49 PM Its not apple its the 3rd party developer's making programs that crash it and put stuff in wrong places and ruin permissions!
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dtravis7 #19 (permalink)
Member Since: Jan 04, 2005 Location: Modesto, Ca. Posts: 25,814 Mac Specs: iMac C2D Late 2007 20" with 10.8.3, Macbook Santa Rosa 4GB Ram OSX 10.8.3	02-27-2005, 05:06 PM Did you ever think that Maybe it's ATIs drivers fault? Read the PC sites like Anandtech and watch when a new ATI driver comes out with the the problems people have. ATI drivers are known to be buggy, and it's mentioned over and over on all the most respected PC sites. So this does not suprise me in the least. I have experienced it over and over with ATI drivers on XP and 2k.
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MichaelSullivan #20 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	02-27-2005, 09:03 PM Good post Thud! Thanks for letting us know how to keep Celestia working till Apple/ ATI resolves this.
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