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Back to Windows!

I just sold my PowerMac and will be building myself a new PC this weekend. I won't be totally abandoning the Apple world, as I will be getting a Mini in a few weeks.

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Back to the registry disaster? To This crap? That is just Daft!
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Back to the registry disaster? To This crap? That is just Daft!
What registry disaster?

I will C&P what I posted a few weeks ago to you when you made a bunch of wild, unfounded comments about Windows and the registry.

I suggest you read up a little more, and clear up any misunderstandings you have about basic OS functionality because based on your sig and your posts, you really are in the dark.




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The very concept of worm/virus as they now attack Windows is a non issue in Mac OS or other Unix based systems because they rely on the indefensible Windows registry which is the very core of the system. Worms edit, add and delete registry keys at will and the loop of new ones and new protections is infinite. This will not happen to Mac OS X because there is no registry core, there is instead the kernel, (Darwin) and the root and administrator user. Such editing to the file system core would only be doable with the admin password or logged in as root. Obviously never be on line as root!

What??????

First of all the OS X Kernel is not called "Darwin." Darwin is the FreeBSD OS that OS X runs on top of. Darwin is notoriously weaker than other types of UNIX OS's and its stability and robustness is often overrated (As was confirmed by ImmunitySec - an open-source auditor) especially by Apple.

The registry is not the "core" of Windows. It is simply a database used by Windows to store configuration information. It has nothing to do with the Windows Kernel. The Windows kernel does basically the same thing as OS X's Mach 3 Kernel as it is the module loaded first, containing all essential services needed for the OS to run at its primary level. The kernel is generally responsible for process management, memory management and disk management. It is completely independent of the Windows Registry, and cannot be directly altered.

I don't know what you mean by the Windows Registry being "open 24/7." It's just a database... of course its "open." OS X doesn't store configuration information in a central database; instead it stores information in separate XML files, which aren't any less "open" than the Windows registry. Neither system is considered better than the other - some Windows users would say the Windows registry is easier to navigate, whereas OS X users would argue that separate files make things more simple - its just a matter of opinion.

And what is heck is a "File System Core"?

I'm surprised no one has corrected you in the past, because it is quite obvious you are operating under serious misconceptions.

OS X is not impenetrable.... in fact it is far from it - at the Call Center the Techs are frequently informed of severe OS X security vulnerabilities and directed not to discuss the issue with the customers until Apple acknowledges and broadcasts a standardized solution. These vulnerabilites are never really newsworthy because so very few people use the OS for them to A. Be Exploited and B. Really Matter even if they were exploited.

But for those who think Darwin is god's gift to computing, heres a few news stories that DID get out:
http://news.com.com/Darwin+flaws+su...ml?tag=nefd.top
http://news.com.com/Apple+fixes+fla....html?tag=st.rn
http://index-site.com/firewirebug2.html
(The Firewire bug is the worst issue OS X has ever had in the Video Editing industry - thousands of editors in LA have already gone to PC's simply out of absolute disgust.)

The simple fact of the matter is that OS X alone holds an insignificant 1.5% of the entire OS market. Windows XP and 2k on the other hand command a substantial 90% of the OS market. It's just simple numbers, and it doesn't take a genius to figure out who would have more threats to deal with.

It's like if Nowhereville (Pop. 24) constantly gloated about their negligible crime rate and offered LA (Pop. Approx. 1 Million) as contrast. How stupid would that be? Who would care?
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Windows does require a bit of intelligence to use, but I have no problem with that. I do not find Windows to be a security risk, but you do have to keep an eye out for spyware.

My Mac experiment has been fun. One of the main reasons I switched was to see what all the OS X fuss was about. Don't get me wrong, it's an amazing operating system, but I found it to have just as many little bugs and quirks as WinXP Pro. Operating systems are so complicated, that I consider that to be acceptable. The only "real" problem that I have found with OS X is that it is sluggish compared to Windows when it comes to some everyday tasks...primarily web surfing. Windows is just a much more snappy OS. The second issue I had was just how loud my PowerMac was. I was hoping for a much quieter system, but some simple tasks would cause the system to rev much louder than any PC I've ever owned. It can get annoying at times when all I'm doing is checking email.

The Mini should correct both of those things. It won't be nearly as loud, and I will expect a bit of sluggishness at times because it is a less powerful system.

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Avid6eek and falltime, nice posts! To be fair, people at the "can barely click the mouse" stage do have some pretty severe problems with XP in reguards to malware/adware and whatnot.

Having to take care of the computers of several teenagers in my extended family I have gotten pretty tired of cleaning out all of the crap they keep getting on their systems. Usually it's "Uncle Dan, my computer is so slow now, and all these windows keep popping up when I surf....could you fix it?" I started telling everyone to get Macs. With my own PC use I have zero problems.

BTW Avid6eek, the Mini sounds like it would fit your needs nicely. The **** thing is almost silent, and has pretty decent performance for the price.
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Back to the registry disaster? To This crap? That is just Daft!
registry disasters? please. this is exactly what makes mac users so hated by everyone else. the assumption that if macs are great then pc's must be put down.

the problem with pc's isnt 100% the OS. its 95% the users who cant stop clicking on popups and opening emails because they thought "its jen from last night" may be an email worth reading even though they spent last night watching tv by themself.

find a knowledgeable computer guy and you wont hear many stories of them being shut down by a virus or spyware. thats because if you know what youre doing then you know how to avoid those things.
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My Mac experiment has been fun. One of the main reasons I switched was to see what all the OS X fuss was about. Don't get me wrong, it's an amazing operating system, but I found it to have just as many little bugs and quirks as WinXP Pro.
weird. i was going to make a thread about this because im currently a experimenting with mac too. i got a mac because i couldnt resist seeing what everyones been raving and raving about. the perfect os. the simple to use interface. the "superior to windows in every way" OS of the future. Well, as a huge mac fan back from 7.1-8.5 then i shouldve known that mac fans havent changed. the os is good but its not as great as some would lead you to believe. its not easier, its not faster, it hasnt made me more productive and its not cheap. that doesnt mean its not good. its a nice OS but its
not any better than windows xp.

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Operating systems are so complicated, that I consider that to be acceptable. The only "real" problem that I have found with OS X is that it is sluggish compared to Windows when it comes to some everyday tasks...primarily web surfing. Windows is just a much more snappy OS.
It sure is. i bought a mac notebook assuming it would be my "web machine" but in the end its just too slow and i cant figure out why. ive tried all the browsers and my 1ghz notebook smokes it in all my daily tasks. i really didnt expect it to be this way. i thought id love the os, love the hardware and eventually ditch windows. but in the end all it did was make me appreciate windows more and make me eager to switch back.

one thing about apple is that they can make incredible hardware. simply the most gorgeous stuff ive ever seen. but i'll take my ugly dell over this mac since its where I feel most comfortable.
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tbh im yet to switch to mac simply due to funds but will do even though i can keep my winblows machine more than secure and malware free.

The reason for wanting a change is yea the "whats it really like" factor and also the fact that im about to graduate soon and would like to have a little clue about osX

Also if its really that aweful i just stick linux on there and still have a slick looking machine that works how i want it, IMO i cant really loose buy buying one
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Back to Windows!

I just sold my PowerMac and will be building myself a new PC this weekend. I won't be totally abandoning the Apple world, as I will be getting a Mini in a few weeks.
Are you gonna be using the Mini with a VGA monitor? If so you might wanna wait till they fix this problem.
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dont worry mate, thats what most of us call it on our Mandrake forum :p
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Yep I know that a lot of Mac and Linux fanatics call it that name, and like to say M$ rather than MS..
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Are you gonna be using the Mini with a VGA monitor? If so you might wanna wait till they fix this problem.

I have my mini hooked up to a VGA monitor, and it is not exhibiting that problem.

The display is clear and bright, and I didn't have to adjust anything. Maybe it only applies to analog VGA LCD screens, I'm using a CRT.


As for the immunitysec audit, here's more info:
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5540955.html

The flaws won't apply to the vast majority of mac owners, since they aren't running remote systems with multiple users.

Not that I'm a mac apologist... I've only had mine for 2 days now. I'm still keeping my windows box for the heavy-duty stuff.
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No the dim displays problem affects a variety of VGA displays, both TFT and CRT. The same monitors sometimes work perfectly with other Apple computers, so it points to the mini's VGA output voltage being too weak as is explained in the thread.
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No the dim displays problem affects a variety of VGA displays, both TFT and CRT. The same monitors sometimes work perfectly with other Apple computers, so it points to the mini's VGA output voltage being too weak as is explained in the thread.
I guess I'm lucky then?

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