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    mitigating the propogation and installation
    Propagation... Didn't even notice the other spelling of favorite.
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    22 yrs on macs and I've always used some sort of free antivirus protection. And i've never had a virus or malware issue that I was aware of.

    I recommend using some sort of antivirus protection since it's free. I used clamxAV for years but the interface is pretty bad, so I recently changed to avast. avast works well on the PC so it made sense to use it on the mac. I had to disable the online security extension for avast (for the Mac) since it was slowing firefox down to a crawl. works fine now with that extension disabled. avast seems to work well in the background and I don't have to do anything since it auto updates itself. if you want once a month or can run a scan if you like.

    common sense and knowledge go a long way. watch what your clicking on. Never click banner ads. the ad may say it's going to apple.com but it may be going somewhere else. never open email attachments from anyone including friends unless you first make sure the friend did send send it.

    most of the bad guys still go after windows users but that could change. better safe than sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macgig View Post
    most of the bad guys still go after windows users but that could change. better safe than sorry.
    It has and did so a long time ago - malware is not new to OS X.
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    yeah Im getting old. can't keep up with the new info anymore. things change too fast for me. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by macgig View Post
    yeah Im getting old. can't keep up with the new info anymore. things change too fast for me. lol
    Mac-Forums is a great place to visit frequently...exactly for reasons/info like this. If something dangerous should appear...we should be one of the first to know about it.

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    You might mention a certain dastardly trick that can be played on the web: looking for a particular video (about Byron) I found myself with the page of academic videos from Italian Radio that seemed appropriate. To make a long story short, I ended up committing myself to a €90 payment to something called Italia-programmi. I took my data to the internet police here in Rome and it turned out that the organization (or is it organisation in Canadian?) was well known to them. Needless to say, I never paid Italia-programmi, which will certainly be in operation under a new name at this point. My point is that there seem to be rogue sites that can blot out virtuous ones.

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    Thumbs down Worst antivirus for Mac
    I used VirusBarrier Plus application from Intego. I loaded that some time ago from AppleStore.

    Yesterday I started this application and it found about 6000 infected files. I push the button to recover files and all my Word, Excel, Pages, Numbers files were destroyed by VirusBarrier. All the files became the files with 0 size. There is no one still alive.

    I called Intego Support and they said that I should not use old application (Even their data base was uploaded by application yesterday) and apologized. They said that it is not possible to restore the files.

    So my strong advice to everybody - Never use Intego products ( at least before you make backup of your computer).

    My strong advice to Apple never allow them to put their products in AppStore .

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    And our advice to you is get rid of any and all anti virus software as it is not needed. And start making backups.

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    Um... With all due respect, in my opinion, I'd say it's a little more complex then that. "Riding bareback" for malware protection on the Mac is akin to playing Russian roulette with a 600 chambered cylinder on a revolver. Sure you have less of a chance of being infected but you still can be infected. As for myself, I use one of the free malware checkers currently available. I did some research using these 2 references online:

    https://www.av-test.org/en/news/news...t-to-the-test/
    http://www.tomsguide.com/us/best-ant...ew-2588-6.html

    From these sites I'd say Bitdefender is the best, but you do have to pay for it. If you are worried about a system hit on performance this one would be the best choice. However if you happen to own a faster and/or newer Mac and don't want to pay a yearly fee on the off chance you might get infected, I'd say go with either Avira or Avast. They're both free and their system performance impact is fairly minimal.

    Sure backups are a prerequisite for sensible computing but an ounce of prevention goes a long way in bypassing hours of waiting for your data to be reloaded from said backup let alone the possible loss of data due to the gap in time from your last backup.


    Note: One caveat... If you do decide to load one of these programs, I suggest after you do so, when you perform any system updates that require a reboot, to disable real-time protection until after the reboot. I corrupted the malware program I was using by forgetting to do so. Fortunately all I had to do was uninstall and reinstall it.


    Update: As of 12/17/2015 AV-TEST just released an updated report for Mac malware apps:

    https://www.av-test.org/en/news/news...t-to-the-test/

    Per this report it appears that a new entry, Sophos, holds a slight advantage over Avira as far as the system penalty is concerned. Also it now appears that Avast has dropped to dead last in the system penalty tests. All three of the afore mentioned apps are free. Symantec now joins Bitdefender as the least intrusive for a system penalty for paid Mac malware apps. It's interesting to note that Symantec and Bitdefender have a 10% system hit, Sophos has a 20% penalty, Avira has a 40% penalty, and Avast is close to 180%. All five of the apps achieved a 100% malware detection rate. So it now appears that Symantec and Bitdefender are the best paid malware detection apps and Sophos and Avira are the best free ones. Unfortunately I'd say Avast is no longer a contender because of their new system penalty rating.
    Last edited by knighstalker; 12-17-2015 at 08:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knighstalker View Post
    Um... With all due respect, in my opinion, I'd say it's a little more complex then that. "Riding bareback" for malware protection on the Mac is akin to playing Russian roulette with a 600 chambered cylinder on a revolver. Sure you have less of a chance of being infected but you still can be infected. As for myself, I use one of the free malware checkers currently available. I did some research using these 2 references online:

    https://www.av-test.org/en/news/news...t-to-the-test/
    http://www.tomsguide.com/us/best-ant...ew-2588-6.html

    From these sites I'd say Bitdefender is the best, but you do have to pay for it. If you are worried about a system hit on performance this one would be the best choice. However if you happen to own a faster and/or newer Mac and don't want to pay a yearly fee on the off chance you might get infected, I'd say go with either Avira or Avast. They're both free and their system performance impact is fairly minimal.

    Sure backups are a prerequisite for sensible computing but an ounce of prevention goes a long way in bypassing hours of waiting for your data to be reloaded from said backup let alone the possible loss of data due to the gap in time from your last backup.

    Note: One caveat... If you do decide to load one of these programs, I suggest after you do so, when you perform any system updates that require a reboot, to disable real-time protection until after the reboot. I corrupted the malware program I was using by forgetting to do so. Fortunately all I had to do was uninstall and reinstall it.
    Welcome to the world of Windows. Had you not realised that this is a mac site? Yes it's like playing Russian Roulette but you missed one important piece of information..."with an empty cylinder"! Oh and there is a reason that Avira and Avast have minimal impact (disputed by some). It's because they don't actually do anything useful on mac in regard to virus protection.
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    Seeing as there are no actual virii for the Macintosh OS in the wild, exactly what are these antivirus programs looking for?
    Notice I did not say malware. Whole other problem and well taken care of by MalwareBytes, among others.
    I can understand not wanting to spread Windows viruses to Windows users, but if you don't exchange files with Windows users, why use antivirus which pretty much only looks for known Windows virii? (is that how you spell the plural of virus?)
    If you feel you really need to run an antivirus, fine. It's your computer. We'll be here when you come back with the "My computer is running really slow/bad" posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sawday View Post
    Welcome to the world of Windows. Had you not realised that this is a mac site? Yes it's like playing Russian Roulette but you missed one important piece of information..."with an empty cylinder"! Oh and there is a reason that Avira and Avast have minimal impact (disputed by some). It's because they don't actually do anything useful on mac in regard to virus protection.
    I apologize, I thought this was a helpful "Mac" site. I believe you missed one important bit of information... Instead of a 1 in 6 chance of blowing your brains out, you have a 1 in 600 chance and yes the odds are for illustrative purposes only. The point is that a Mac is a heck of a lot less likely of becoming infected than Windows. However once it is infected, you have something like what happen to AlexMM transpire. I say it's irresponsible to make unsubstantiated opinionated claims and to stick ones head in the sand.

    It is interesting to note that I wanted to test one of OS X's built in malware protections, XProtect, and ran across a thread from the Apple Support Communities https://discussions.apple.com/thread...art=0&tstart=0. It was suggested that a person could go to http://www.eicar.org/download/eicar.com to download a test malware file and try to open it to see what XProtect would do. When I clicked on the link to download it the "free" malware detection app I use flagged it and snagged it before I could even try to open it! The argument can be made as to why someone should pay a yearly fee for malware protection. Although at $30 a year for Bitdefender, I'd say it's a bargain. But even so what argument can be made against installing a free malware protection app? The system penalty? As I've posted previously, there are a couple of free malware apps that are nearly as ubiquitous as the paid ones. In fact I don't even notice a system hit with the free malware app I use.

    I've been using and supporting the Macintosh since 1984. However I started off by using CPM based systems and then MS-DOS systems. That's why I was drawn to the Mac. It used a fresh take on the user interface. When Microsoft came out with Windows it felt adulterated. I always was annoyed when I had to use it because it was always crashing due to one thing or another like malware. Soon my annoyance turned into pure displeasure when I came across systems that were totally inoperable because of malware. Trying to recover and clean out someones system is a huge pain in the @ss and very time consuming. That is why I use a free malware protection app so that at least I have something in place to help thwart a very real possible future infection by malware. If a person wants to throw caution to the wind and go unprotected, so be it. But for them to encourage others, especially the uninitiated, to do likewise is disrespectful and rude.
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    If a person wants to throw caution to the wind and go unprotected, so be it. But for them to encourage others, especially the uninitiated, to do likewise is disrespectful and rude.
    We've been over this topic many times. The bottom line is that the use of AV software is a personal choice. General advice in this forum and the "other" forum which you're a member of is the same: AV software is not needed. Protection against malware is different and our recommendation has always been that it should be used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quietone View Post
    I really appreciate all the advice here. Security is so important, I like to stay informed about this too, because I've also read that the Mac is not immune, so it's good to let everyone know and remind them. Thanks for taking the time to write all that.
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    THE ANTI-VIRUS QUESTION
    Still. looking at the above on anti-virus programs, just for that extra measure of safety, Ive been using Intego; ot seems to be useful, and has a good "Security Blog"

    I have thought a lot about this, and would really like feedback from others here.

    Thanks so much, graphicg

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