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but wouldn't you agree that virus creators have no incentive to create virues for Mac now?

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There is a way to make a computer ssystem secure, do not take it out of the box it came in.
You might as well suggest we do away with computers entirely. =) We are discussing the reduction of risk of viruses on a Mac here

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but wouldn't you agree that virus creators have no incentive to create virues for Mac now?
What incentive wouldn't they have? Can you imagine the press surrounding a virus release for OS X? The infamy would be tremendous - far more so than writing a successful Windows virus.

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This has been discussed here rather often and the answer remains the same...... Market share has nothing to do with it.:

Vista more secure than Mac OS X

Mac Security

Virus Protection for MacBook

Is Mac OS X really safer from virus attacks?

the big virus question...

Mac's are more popular nowadays

I have posted this response here and on several other forums, so here is the reasoning in a nutshell:
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Currently there are over 75,000 known viruses for the Windows platform, there are absolutely none for the Mac OS X platform...and its not because people don't want to mess with a 'fringe' OS. Unix-based OS's (like OS X) won't experience all of the problems with email-borne viruses and worms that are so prevalent in the Microsoft world. I am not saying that just because there are none, it is not possible to get a virus in OS X. Someday there may be. Sure its been almost 5 years with OS X and still none (compared to the 75,000+ for Windows), but even if one did, it would not affect any great number of computers.
This is because Mac OS X doesn't allow users to use the root account unless they first enable the option. This lessens the likelihood of email-driven viruses and worms, as most users would not even know how to enable the root account or rarely even need to. In order for a virus to attack your system it must be given root user priviliges, otherwise it will not be allowed to run. Due to the strong separation between normal users and the privileged root user, a Mac OS X user would have to be running as root to really do any damage to the system. Also, there are also no self-executing programs or files in Mac OS X. So a user would have to read the email, save the attachment, give the attachment executable permissions, and then run the executable. The user could damage his /user/home directory, but that's about it. For it to infect the entire system the steps would have to become the following: read, save, become root, give executable permissions, run. The more steps, the less likely users will bother with it, the less likely a virus infection becomes, and certainly the less likely a catastrophically spreading virus becomes.

Running as root (or Administrator) is common in the Windows world. In fact, Windows XP, supposed Microsoft's most secure desktop operating system, automatically makes the first named user of the system an Administrator, with the power to do anything he wants to the computer. Also, Windows software is either executable or not, depending on the file extension. It's easy to run executables in the Windows world, and users who get an email with a subject line like ''Check out this wicked screensaver!'' and an attachment, too often click on it without thinking first, and before they know it, a new worm has taken over their systems. Sometimes the simple act of opening the email to read it will trigger the malware.


Basically, while I would not consider any OS superior either, Mac OS X establishes a more secure footing than Microsoft Windows, one that makes it far harder for viruses to take hold in the first place, but if one does take hold, harder to damage the system, but if one succeeds in damaging the system, harder to spread to other machines and repeat the process.

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Then why not make the time before the "will eventually" last longer. What's the point of us promoting macs everyday? Why actually promote it?
I don't outwardly push the Mac on anyone. I think the vast majority of threads asking if switching to a Mac is really as great as it seems are responded to by asking "what are your needs - maybe Windows would better suite them".

Either way, I don't think that increased market share will amount to as many viruses as you'd see on the Windows platform, because I believe the OS X platform is inherently more secure. Sure, you'll see the occasional exploit, but nothing is perfect. What I don't believe you will see is the literally thousands of viruses that you see released for Windows within the course of a year.

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If Vista viruses are worth writing about (yawn), and publicizing the author's nickname, think of the incentive —the fame — for writing a successful Mac virus.
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There is a way to make a computer ssystem secure, do not take it out of the box it came in.

Good one Rman! That might just work!
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benefits of increased popularity like more software developers? Personally I can't visualise Windows switchers coding Mac applications within a time frame of at least 1 year.
Where on earth did you pull that from? If software companies detect a growing Mac market they are more likely to develop software if they can make a profit from it. Your wild ideas about how long programmers will take to start developing for OSX are irrelevant.

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By mac users not promoting macs, we can slow down the possible treat of a virus. It's about slowing it down, instead of a rude abrupt call for Mac users that their system is not secure at all
As Brown Study pointed out, this is just an internet forum, the Mac does not orbit around this place, and neither will it stand or fall based on our recommendation. If we all came on here one day and stated Macs are rubbish, it wouldn't make one iota of difference.

Even if the theory about obscurity meaning security were remotely true, as I've stated here before it would - in theory - require 50% market share for virus-writing to become more profitable for OSX than for Windows (and profit is becoming a bigger and bigger reason for writing viruses). And there's no way in **** Macs will reach that, even if every member of every Mac forum had the Apple logo tattooed on their butt and ran around naked.


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. . . even if every member of every Mac forum had the Apple logo tattooed on their butt and ran around naked.
Hmmm.

That would mean I could throw away my X-ray glasses I bought from the back page of a 40-year-old comic book.

At last.
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Nice one, brown study
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What DevilBoy said. Yes Windows is more popular so more viruses will be made for Windows. However, Windows doesn't help itself by letting the user be stupid. There is no need for an average user to have root access. This is another reason why I love Macs. It hides the stuff that the average user does not need to know about, but it is powerful enough so power users can really utilize the full power of OS X and Unix.
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either way, macs will probably ending up getting viruses, mac probably wont even come close to the market share windows has for quite a long time. mac people generally seem to be happier people, i can't really fathom someone hacking away on a Macintosh creating a virus. i really don't think we should stop promoting macs, they are ultimately better for the most part. we are nice people, helping our nice friends get nice computers.

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edit:: sorry, i didn't even notice a second page! that root privilege thing is really smart thinking on apples part! but either way, most of us "promoting" macs, are just helping our unknowing friends

also:: knightlie! how did you know where my apple tattoo was?!
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Not suggesting to some poor Windows sufferer that there's a way out is the same as tossing an anvil to a shipwreck victim.

Your heart would have to be made of flint.
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I think that there is sufficent entrenched hatred out there of the Mac that I see on other locations on the internet, that no matter what amount of promotion that might happen whether that be on our part or Apple's a significant proportion of people will never want to have anything to do with our beloved Mac OS X.

It's inexplicable, it's ignorant, it's human nature. Since switching from Linux/Windows I now view the hatred and seething flames from trolls everywhere with a mild amusement. Especially since most of these views are based on what the Mac was pre-2001. They still think that Apple hardware is more expensive than the $399 Walmart computer, they still think that Apple users are smug metrosexuals who wear beréts and sip cappuchino in high-priced coffee shops, and still think that, for some reason, we all hang on Job's every word. Hey, Windows has improved quite a bit (then devolved with Vista) so let 'em think whatever they want.

Though I will admit, that there was a thread on another site which was talking about an Apple product there was one guy who likes to troll every Apple thread. He got run out by a whole bunch of recent switchers who recently got a Mac of some form and loved it. They weren't going to convince anyone, however because with certain people the ignorance is strong.
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